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05-13-2014, 11:47 AM
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Habs fans don't like Desharnais because firstly he's a carbon copy of Briere (back when Briere could put up fifty to sixty) in that he's small, defensively inept, and generally just a liability outside of his offensive prowess. They also get annoyed with him because the coach seems to favor Desharnais way too much and won't break him plus Pacioretty up. Or at least that's the message I get rom reading the Habs board. It's a center who can put up okay point totals for a top six player but is a complete liability defensively. We know how that goes. We also know how coach favoritism goes.

Crosby really is a terrible leader. Great skill and athleticism but the guy is just an idiot as a captain. Can't help with the rest of the Pens organization having a similar mentality.

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05-13-2014, 01:46 PM
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There is no secret that all you need to do is to get Crosby mad to get him off his game. teams that can take advantage of this know it.
No doubt he is a fantastic player, but getting him off his game by getting under his skin is so freakin easy.

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05-13-2014, 01:50 PM
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There is no secret that all you need to do is to get Crosby mad to get him off his game. teams that can take advantage of this know it.
No doubt he is a fantastic player, but getting him off his game by getting under his skin is so freakin easy.
Sounds like somebody with PTSD...or is that PMS?

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05-13-2014, 01:52 PM
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There is no secret that all you need to do is to get Crosby mad to get him off his game. teams that can take advantage of this know it.
No doubt he is a fantastic player, but getting him off his game by getting under his skin is so freakin easy.
But the best part is that it's a secret to everyone but Crosby, Bylsma, and Shero. He's responding no differently to Dominic Moore as he did to Hartnell, Schenn, Simmonds, etc. in 2012.

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Yeah, the 2012 Flyers gave the rest of the league the gameplan on how to level the playing field with the Penguins. They're probably the most talented team in the league, but they have the mental strength of toddlers.

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05-13-2014, 02:02 PM
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But the best part is that it's a secret to everyone but Crosby, Bylsma, and Shero. He's responding no differently to Dominic Moore as he did to Hartnell, Schenn, Simmonds, etc. in 2012.
yep exactly. They simply don't get it. they keep looking at the NHL to protect the golden child. The Flyers showed everyone what to do.

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05-13-2014, 02:07 PM
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the Flyers wrote the book, but I think Montreal did the research in 2010. That's the first series I can recall where Crosby and the Pens just completely melted down when facing a frustrating/annoying situation. Crosby's opening shift in the 1st period where he beelined to a MTL Dman and ran him for no good reason, putting his team on the PK and leading to a goal against, was a real eye-opener.

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05-13-2014, 03:25 PM
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Yeah, the 2012 Flyers gave the rest of the league the gameplan on how to level the playing field with the Penguins. They're probably the most talented team in the league, but they have the mental strength of toddlers.
They have two elite talents, a couple of good forward, but from that point on, its pure trash.

Their D doesn't even really play good defense, and when other teams have strong possessions, they get exposed. And their goalie is mediocre as hell.

Their are a great regular season team because they play inferior talent more often and their elite players shine throw and win games.

Playoffs are so much of a different game and they aren't built for it. Every team left in the playoffs are better than the Pens and deeper.

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They have two elite talents, a couple of good forward, but from that point on, its pure trash.

Their D doesn't even really play good defense, and when other teams have strong possessions, they get exposed. And their goalie is mediocre as hell.

Their are a great regular season team because they play inferior talent more often and their elite players shine throw and win games.

Playoffs are so much of a different game and they aren't built for it. Every team left in the playoffs are better than the Pens and deeper.
You're seriously understimating the advantage of having clearly the two best players in the world on their team. They have the most pure talent of any team in the league. They have a coach that they should have fired a long time ago, and a GM that's blowing the primes of two generational talents. They've completely controlled 8 of the 12 playoff games they've played this year. But like I said, they have very little mental strength. If you play them the way the Rangers have played them the last two games, they fold like a cheap tent.

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You're seriously understimating the advantage of having clearly the two best players in the world on their team. They have the most pure talent of any team in the league. They have a coach that they should have fired a long time ago, and a GM that's blowing the primes of two generational talents. They've completely controlled 8 of the 12 playoff games they've played this year. But like I said, they have very little mental strength. If you play them the way the Rangers have played them the last two games, they fold like a cheap tent.
And it took them 6 games to beat the Blue Jackets and the Rangers have come back from 3-1 to force a Game 7.

They aren't that good.

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Pittsburgh should have an interesting summer regardless of what happens tonight. Shero really backed himself into a corner with Letang's deal. I would imagine Niskanen priced himself out & possibly Jokinen if so there's two good pieces gone. I'm not sure what they do with Fleury he hasn't been too bad this playoffs at least compared to recent history & has one year left one his deal so do they just wait it out?

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And it took them 6 games to beat the Blue Jackets and the Rangers have come back from 3-1 to force a Game 7.

They aren't that good.
They're also good teams. Is a team only good if they sweep everyone on route to a Stanley Cup?

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They're also good teams. Is a team only good if they sweep everyone on route to a Stanley Cup?
They have played two of the more mediocre teams in the playoffs. CBJ barely got in and had a bunch of holes and NYR has a 4% PP percentage right now.

They have played teams that played mediocre or poorly and can barely get through them.

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They're also good teams. Is a team only good if they sweep everyone on route to a Stanley Cup?
Yeah they still beat Columbus in 6 games with most of their top players sleep walking through the first round as well as Fleury throwing Columbus that one game.

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the Flyers wrote the book, but I think Montreal did the research in 2010. That's the first series I can recall where Crosby and the Pens just completely melted down when facing a frustrating/annoying situation. Crosby's opening shift in the 1st period where he beelined to a MTL Dman and ran him for no good reason, putting his team on the PK and leading to a goal against, was a real eye-opener.
Crosby's post-game interviews in the 2010 series against Montreal were the first real glimpses of frustration that I recall seeing.

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And it took them 6 games to beat the Blue Jackets and the Rangers have come back from 3-1 to force a Game 7.

They aren't that good.
The Bruins needed OT in Game 7 versus Montreal in the first round en route to winning their Cup (and Montreal wasn't nearly as good then as they are now).

If the Pens aren't good, then there are only 4-5 good teams in the NHL. Terrible league, if that's the case.

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I think Crosby has a multiple point game to put the Rangers away, neither team is very good

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Penguins issue is coaching.

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Pens are a good team and an elite team in a general sense. They do have serious roster flaws that lead them to being a paper tiger in the end though.

Trash forward prospect pool, Fleury as their starter with no good successor in line, the Letang contract is iffy right now, their bottom six is weak albeit made weaker by bad coaching decisions, and their top six winger depth is extremely weak. They have a strong blue-line overall, but aside from that they literally coast off of just having the two most talented forwards in the league. It's a good team, but it's definitely too flawed to be on par with the top dogs in the league (Boston, St. Louis, LA, Chicago, Anaheim, maybe San Jose and Colorado) because both F and G are lacking in depth in terms of call-up options and just the NHL roster.

They have a few major problems. Roster/call-up depth, bad coaching (for that roster at least), and a GM falling from grace. People don't realize this but they're going to be in a bit of a cap crunch next season relative to other teams since Malkin gets a slight increase and the Letang contract kicks in. Plus Niskanen.

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Neal right now.. Talk about a stupid penalty

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Another brilliant Disco Dan decision. Doesn't play Malkin or Crosby on the four on four.

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if pens lose neal could be a guy that is moved out. as talented as he is his bone headed plays have a way of turning around the momentum of games and series

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