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05-14-2014, 07:53 PM
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If Sobotka is the better player, than I definitely think we should be getting him back, maybe downgrade the pick. Berglund just kind of scares me, because he needs a strong support cast and we don't have one.

Wiercioch to me is very underrated, and the only reason I'm okay with giving him up is because Shattenkirk is young and has similar capabilities.
Berglund and Sobotka are both very capable third liners. Berglund is better on the wing, and Sobotka is better in the middle. You're most likely to get more offense out of Berglund, with Sobotka being better defensively. If you give Berglund a player with some speed and skill he becomes much more effective. Shattenkirk is quite a bit better than Wiercioch right now.

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The age argument again. Yet Thornton at 34 had more pts than Spezza at 30 and was 2nd in the league in assists.

If the Blues want one of the best 2 way Centers in the league, Pavs is it. He'd cost Shattenkirk +
If the Blues want the better playmaker for the next 3-4 yrs, that's Thornton, who won't cost Oshie.
Spezza's worst season since since his sophomore year, if we could actually keep Hemsky around then he should score 80+ points next year.

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As for that Shatty deal, it's the only way something would get done, but I have my questions about Wiercioch, so I'm not too sure if I'd want to do it
Wiercioch is the defenseman version of Berglund.

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Spezza's worst season since since his sophomore year, if we could actually keep Hemsky around then he should score 80+ points next year.
I'm not quite sure that Hemsky is a guy that should be considered much better than Michalek at this point.

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I personally see the Jets as better trading partners for the Sens. Would love to see some trade ideas from them.

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I'm not quite sure that Hemsky is a guy that should be considered much better than Michalek at this point.
Hemsky is better than Michalek, just sayin. Was pretty clear this season

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I'm not quite sure that Hemsky is a guy that should be considered much better than Michalek at this point.
Michaleks done. Hemsky is legit 2nd liner. Not close at all.

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Hemsky is better than Michalek, just sayin. Was pretty clear this season
It's possible that he can be. But it was also a pretty small sample size for him. I'm just saying he seems to be on the downside.

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I think Hemsky always had the talent, but being in the West and being in Edmonton with their lack of any sort of system, he wasn't in a position to succeed.

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I think most people could legitimately agree that Hemsky is injury prone though

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Injury prone XD that's funny
Spezza is beyond injury prone. Biggest reason to trade him. He's a back or groin injury away from being only a PP specialist.

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I'm not quite sure that Hemsky is a guy that should be considered much better than Michalek at this point.
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It's possible that he can be. But it was also a pretty small sample size for him. I'm just saying he seems to be on the downside.
Nah, Michalek was terrible this year no hands, no speed, cant battle along boards. He cant hold the puck at least hemsky can maintain puck possession. Ask a lot of sens fans

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Nah, Michalek was terrible this year no hands, no speed, cant battle along boards. He cant hold the puck at least hemsky can maintain puck possession. Ask a lot of sens fans
Well he must have played a lot better for you guys then. Because when I saw him for Edmonton this year he was awful.

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Gliff was in here earlier and said he wouldn't do Bonino+Etem+1st, so for the most part, they will offer similar to us. You'll have to wait until they are out of the playoffs for Duck fans to be active in here again.
bleedblue is correct.

How Anaheim goes out will have a big hand in determining what's to be done. That could include a possible trade offer for Spezza or something else entirely. The only scenario that we can be sure of is that the defensemen under contract are going to be trimmed down.

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05-14-2014, 09:32 PM
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How about this trade Nashville fans:

Spezza (hopefully resigned, he should be willing to since Mike Fisher) + Cowen + Prince

for:

Josi + 1st


Ottawa then has the cap room to sign a lot of UFA's. We could have this roster for 57 million, with serious D upgrade and good forward depth/200 ft game:

http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/14672

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Doesn't take too long to figure out that Nashville fans don't want anything to do with spezza and Josi as the main pieces...

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Doesn't take too long to figure out that Nashville fans don't want anything to do with spezza and Josi as the main pieces...

Spezza and Josi are the main pieces, yes, but Ottawa adds a lot to that. Cowen has top-3 potential and is a former top-ten pick, left-handed d-man than can replace Josi, is cheaper and younger. Spezza gives them elite centre. Prince is top-six potential prospect who should reach NHL in 1-2 years.

Seems to me like in the future a top- 4 of:

Cowen - Weber
Ellis - Jones

isn't too bad for Nashville, especially with Spezza and Fisher and Forsberg up front. They give up pick who could be a bust and they give up their current #2 d-man but likely #3 in the future.

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And in the scenario that Spezza only agrees to an extension with 1 team, his value would decrease. He needs to agree to terms with 2 teams to create high value. Has a player ever agreed to an extension before a trade?
I would say the current team would not like to be liable for a brand new contract. But players will be allowed to talk to the new team before they get traded. Think of Bishop

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I'm not saying they are better than Spezza. Bert said if we acquire Stastny or Kesler, we wouldn't be improving over what we have and that is a joke. Kesler wouldn't be ideal because we want a more offensive oriented center.
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So playing 75+ games 2 of the last 3 years is injury prone?

See what I did there?
Let them go after injury prone Statsny

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Spezza and Josi are the main pieces, yes, but Ottawa adds a lot to that. Cowen has top-3 potential and is a former top-ten pick, left-handed d-man than can replace Josi, is cheaper and younger. Spezza gives them elite centre. Prince is top-six potential prospect who should reach NHL in 1-2 years.

Seems to me like in the future a top- 4 of:

Cowen - Weber
Ellis - Jones

isn't too bad for Nashville, especially with Spezza and Fisher and Forsberg up front. They give up pick who could be a bust and they give up their current #2 d-man but likely #3 in the future.
Nice value, but I'd still pass. And Josi is our #2 firmly now and in the future--Jones-Weber will not be a pairing due to the RHD/RHD dynamic. Just too much of a cost for a player whose long-term durability I question at this point. If we're moving Josi (which is unlikely), it still makes more sense to try to acquire a player whose age falls more in line with the Forsberg/Jones/Jarnkrok/Smith group than Weber. On the whole, though, the Preds need to be looking to add talent without ripping apart the bits they do have.

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I'm not quite sure that Hemsky is a guy that should be considered much better than Michalek at this point.
He was a lot better than Michalek, like A LOT. Even if it was a sample size, Hemsky and Spezza compliment each other so well. When Hemsky came, I noticed both Michalek/Spezza started playing much better so there's really no reason not to give that line a 2nd chance. I'd resign MM9 for under 4M, that's what he's worth and I'd sign Hemmer for around 5M if I was BM.

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I personally see the Jets as better trading partners for the Sens. Would love to see some trade ideas from them.
Evander Kane please.

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And he didn't return a Schwartz, Oshie, or Shattenkirk.
And not all sens fans are asking for that. Your point ?

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Thornton likely isn't in the conversation. Pavelski is signed for longer, and doesn't have the injury history of Spezza. Plus, he plays a fantastic two way game, which fits in great with our team.
But you already have Pavelskis. You don't need more guys you can put on the ice to defend a lead. You need a guy you can put on when you're behind.

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Berglund or Sobotka won't get the deal done St. Louis.

Next in line please.

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