HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Calgary Flames
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Upcoming Draft

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-11-2004, 02:00 AM
  #1
Bandwagoner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 249
vCash: 500
Upcoming Draft

Hey all,

I'm just wondering what every feels Sutter and the rest of the Flames scouting staff will concentrate on in the early rounds of the upcoming draft. I feel with Phaneuf, Ramholt, Regehr and Commodore they don't really seem to be needing anymore young defensemen. So what should we look for, or will it end up just being the best player available at the time?

Bandwagoner is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 02:24 AM
  #2
OBCT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: San Mateo, CA
Posts: 61
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to OBCT
Basically just the best available at the time I'd say, but I don't think the Flames could ever have too many skilled, smart forwards. Or big, strong defensemen, for that matter. Goalie probably isn't at the top of our list.

Another good left-winger wouldn't hurt (Lowry is old, Oliwa is just a goon, and Sonnenberg, Green, Loyns and Saprykin are still fairly young) but I think the decisions will mostly be based on the kinds of trades we decide to make (if any) come trade deadline time.

OBCT is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 09:02 AM
  #3
Zhackpot
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 540
vCash: 500
Flames need more skill up front. That is first and foremost a priority.

Flames will still draft defencemen to replace those they can no longer afford to pay in the future. With the future of the CBA unclear I think you have to approach the draft keeping the current economic system in mind and that would make guys like Gauthier too expensive to keep and they will need to be replaced.

And it wouldn't surprise me to see them take a goalie fairly high. As it was recently proven that the depth at that position isn't that great.

Zhackpot is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 09:44 AM
  #4
Hitman*
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Cowtown
Posts: 4,299
vCash: 500
Sutter isn't a guy who takes the best player available. He takes players that he likes and that will fit in with his team. For example, if Phaneuf, Coburn and Suter had all been taken before the Flames picked at the draft, he would have drafted Mike Richards at #9.

I think he'll go after a big forward. Those are the players he likes. In the 2nd round we could take a stab at a goalie if a good one is available. This draft is similar to 2002 in the number of quality goalies available. A defenseman is definitely not at the top of the list and I'd be suprised to see us take another with our first few picks.

Once again, mostly CHL players will be chosen. Might be the odd Euro and college player but size and toughness is the key. That's the way Darryl drafts.

Hitman* is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 10:56 AM
  #5
HuskyFlames
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,671
vCash: 500
I think he will pickup a big winger in the first round and a goalie in the second round. I personally don't like our goalies in the minor and don't think any can be #1 starters in the NHL.

HuskyFlames is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 10:58 AM
  #6
Flames Draft Watcher
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Calgary
Posts: 4,553
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OBCT
Basically just the best available at the time I'd say, but I don't think the Flames could ever have too many skilled, smart forwards. Or big, strong defensemen, for that matter. Goalie probably isn't at the top of our list.

Another good left-winger wouldn't hurt (Lowry is old, Oliwa is just a goon, and Sonnenberg, Green, Loyns and Saprykin are still fairly young) but I think the decisions will mostly be based on the kinds of trades we decide to make (if any) come trade deadline time.
Last year Sutter addressed a weakness in the system (defensemen). At this point our biggest weakness IMO is the lack of a big playmaking centremen and a big powerforward winger. I think Sutter would love to grab either with our first round pick this year if at all possible.

Green and Sonnenberg aren't that young, I wouldn't expect much improvement there and I personally don't see either of them developing into full time NHLers with the Flames. I think that Sutter is concerned about our depth at LW. Gelinas will be gone soon and McAmmond IMO could stay at centre potentially. Nystrom is our best prospect at LW but I could see Sutter wanting to add another.

If I had to make a prediction now I'd say a big LW powerforward or a big playmaking centre.

Flames Draft Watcher is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 11:03 AM
  #7
Flames Draft Watcher
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Calgary
Posts: 4,553
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick - Flames
I think he will pickup a big winger in the first round and a goalie in the second round. I personally don't like our goalies in the minor and don't think any can be #1 starters in the NHL.
Disagree. I think Krahn has the upside to be a starter in a few years. He's got Turek's size but better technique and effort. I think he's our goalie of the future.

Medvedev is a wildcard, I wouldn't count on him but he certainly has a big upside.

I'm not totally sold on Sabourin but he's a decent prospect. Good size and plays the butterfly style.

The Flames seem to be quite high on 6'2 Curtis McElhinney. Haven't seen him enough to comment.

6'2 Davis Parley was just signed and adds even more depth.

With a 1st rounder (Krahn), 2nd rounder (Medvedev), 4th rounder (Sabourin), 6th rounder (McElhinney) and a FA signee (Parley) I think we have enough depth there. I don't think a goaltender will be a priority at all. It would surprise me if one was taken in the top 2 rounds.

Flames Draft Watcher is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 11:13 AM
  #8
HuskyFlames
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,671
vCash: 500
I have seen Krahn play and he's average, nothing stellar. In real life he has a huge ego and thinks hes god in net. Also, with his super young knee injury problems I wouldn't be putting all the Flames eggs into 1 basket. If this years draft is full of excellent goalies, might as well snag one up in a 2-4 round department.

HuskyFlames is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 11:53 AM
  #9
Flames Draft Watcher
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Calgary
Posts: 4,553
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick - Flames
I have seen Krahn play and he's average, nothing stellar.
And everytime I've seen him he's been outstanding.

As for ego, I'm not so sure that's a bad thing in a goalie. It seems to me that some of the best goaltenders lately have been some of the most egotistical, cockiest guys out there. I'm talking of the Roy's, the Hasek's, etc. But Krahn doesn't strike me as the most egotistical guy out there from interviews.

Time will tell.


Last edited by Flames Draft Watcher: 02-11-2004 at 12:37 PM.
Flames Draft Watcher is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 12:19 PM
  #10
Puckz
Registered User
 
Puckz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Kelowna, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,126
vCash: 500
It'd be nice to see Andrew Ladd fall to the Flames... Yes he is ranked 2nd in North American skaters however the consensus is that he will fall to the middle of the round 12-18th overall... depending on where the Flames pick it'd give them a local guy, him playing on the Hitmen and all.

Puckz is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 05:11 PM
  #11
Ozy_Flame
Registered User
 
Ozy_Flame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,087
vCash: 500
The Flames will draft a centerman as their first priority. There is no doubt in my mind. Who's our best pivot prospect right now, Matthew Lombardi? Yes, we seriously need help at that position. And don't give me the Trubachev and Taratukhin doldrums. I'm talking about a scoring centerman with size.

Ozy_Flame is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 05:20 PM
  #12
Red Bull
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 99
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick - Flames
I have seen Krahn play and he's average, nothing stellar. In real life he has a huge ego and thinks hes god in net. Also, with his super young knee injury problems I wouldn't be putting all the Flames eggs into 1 basket. If this years draft is full of excellent goalies, might as well snag one up in a 2-4 round department.
He WILL be a good goalie in the NHL I guarantee it. Remember, the only reason he's not rated up there with the likes of Miller, DiPietro, Lehtonen is because of his injuries which clearly aren't giving him trouble this year.

Red Bull is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 05:26 PM
  #13
kruezer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 6,273
vCash: 500
I hope Ladd is around, or even perhaps Bickell, but thats a bit of a reach, McGrath could be a reach as well as he seems to be dropping quick. I'd like Adam Pineault personally, but its doubtful he opts in.

Do they have a second? Was the Kipper trade for this year's or next year's?

In the third I wouldn't mind if they picked Cory Schneider the goalie if he's still hanging around. He would have plenty of time to develop.

kruezer is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 06:11 PM
  #14
Flames Draft Watcher
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Calgary
Posts: 4,553
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kruezer
Do they have a second? Was the Kipper trade for this year's or next year's?
We have a second. The pick in the Kiprusoff deal was for 2005.

Flames Draft Watcher is offline  
Old
02-11-2004, 10:32 PM
  #15
Stifler
Registered User
 
Stifler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Driving in Vice City
Posts: 362
vCash: 500
I agree with the idea that Sutter won't pick the best player available BUT the best player for the Flames that is available. The player that he feels will best suit his system.

Sort of like Minnesota picking Brent Burns last year. Not the best player still on the board at that point BUT the best player for thier organization.

Stifler is offline  
Old
02-12-2004, 12:43 AM
  #16
kruezer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 6,273
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
We have a second. The pick in the Kiprusoff deal was for 2005.
Hey thanks, thats solid then.

kruezer is offline  
Old
02-12-2004, 09:34 AM
  #17
Zhackpot
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 540
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
And everytime I've seen him he's been outstanding.

As for ego, I'm not so sure that's a bad thing in a goalie. It seems to me that some of the best goaltenders lately have been some of the most egotistical, cockiest guys out there. I'm talking of the Roy's, the Hasek's, etc. But Krahn doesn't strike me as the most egotistical guy out there from interviews.

Time will tell.

Ego's can also destroy a goalie. Trevor Kidd may have had a bigger ego than any goalie to ever come out of the WHL and look what happend to him.

Zhackpot is offline  
Old
02-12-2004, 12:28 PM
  #18
Badger Bob
Registered User
 
Badger Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: in my happy place
Country: Germany
Posts: 5,286
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhackpot
Trevor Kidd may have had a bigger ego than any goalie to ever come out of the WHL and look what happend to him.
Kidd got drafted ahead of Martin Brodeur. Hindsight is 20/20...but geeze.

Badger Bob is offline  
Old
02-12-2004, 03:22 PM
  #19
Zhackpot
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 540
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Badger Bob
Kidd got drafted ahead of Martin Brodeur. Hindsight is 20/20...but geeze.

My comment didn't have anything to do with his ability, at the time he was drafted many analysts didn't think the drafting of Kidd was a bad move given his junior career. But the ego and baggage he brought to the Flames the minute they drafted him was something else.

Zhackpot is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:25 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.