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05-21-2014, 11:04 PM
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I think he will do better next year with a good and full camp under his belt with a new coach that actually gets people to practice. He needs to get up his speed a bit and a tad more weight.

PP units:

Hartnell-Giroux-Simmonds
Streit-Voracek

Akeson-Schenn-Read
MacD-Couturier
Idk how much I like Couturier on the pp unit. He looked out of place playing in Voracek's spot last season, but him where Hartnell plays on top I think would turn out to be good in time. Couturier has a nice shot and has enough size to stand right in the middle without getting pushed around. People underrate Hartnell on the PP but that spot right there is huge for the success on it. Couturier should be the one given the chance there over Schenn.

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Hamilton is looking awesome in these playoffs.
Still would have taken Hamilton over Couturier.
This teams fascination with collecting all the centers is absurd.
We already had a average skating center in Schenn, why draft another?
What year is this? 1975???

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Does anyone view the Couturier love, Schenn dislike (or questioning) similar to the Richards and Carter views of the past? It is funny, because I always preferred Richards, but Carter is a better player now.

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Still would have taken Hamilton over Couturier.
This teams fascination with collecting all the centers is absurd.
We already had a average skating center in Schenn, why draft another?
What year is this? 1975???
So in one thread you complain that we have no 2C...then you criticize the team for drafting a guy who projected to be the perfect 2C on draft day (and still does). Yeah, okay.

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Some people forget, Hamilton was playing with chara, I doubt he plays that well with coburn, also, without couturier in no way are we a playoff team. If pick couts over Hamilton any day

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Still would have taken Hamilton over Couturier.
This teams fascination with collecting all the centers is absurd.
We already had a average skating center in Schenn, why draft another?
What year is this? 1975???
You have a seriously unhealthy obsession with defenders...

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Still would have taken Hamilton over Couturier.
This teams fascination with collecting all the centers is absurd.
We already had a average skating center in Schenn, why draft another?
What year is this? 1975???

You would be wrong, sir.

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Still would have taken Hamilton over Couturier.
This teams fascination with collecting all the centers is absurd.
We already had a average skating center in Schenn, why draft another?
What year is this? 1975???
The fact that you pretty much stated Schenn and Couturier to be equal proves just how little intellectual knowledge you have about either player or the current situation regarding both players and the team itself, especially at the time of the Couturier draft pick.

At the time of the pick, the Flyers had just traded away Jeff Carter and Mike Richards, and only replaced those Center voids by acquiring Brayden Schenn, whom at the time had only amassed a handful of NHL games, and Chris Pronger had not yet had his career ending injury, thus the need for that top pairing defenseman wasn't as crucial as it is in this point in time(although was still a need). Sure we knew Pronger wasn't getting any younger, but we all figured we would get a few more seasons out of him, before he had that fluke eye injury.

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Still would have taken Hamilton over Couturier.
This teams fascination with collecting all the centers is absurd.
We already had a average skating center in Schenn, why draft another?
What year is this? 1975???
No..

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Still would have taken Hamilton over Couturier.
This teams fascination with collecting all the centers is absurd.
We already had a average skating center in Schenn, why draft another?
What year is this? 1975???
You whine more than anyone about defensemen but neglect the fact that they drafted 8 defensemen in the last two drafts & will likely add to that total this year. The best thing about the majority of them is that they're good skaters with good mobility.

Not all of them will be successful but their philosophy has definitely changed in terms of what they want in terms of defensemen when it comes to drafting them so no they're not stuck in the 70's.

They're in the process of rebuilding the backend through the draft, Rome wasn't built in a day so patience will be key here.

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Does anyone view the Couturier love, Schenn dislike (or questioning) similar to the Richards and Carter views of the past? It is funny, because I always preferred Richards, but Carter is a better player now.
I liked both Richards and Carter but I know what you mean. It seemed a lot of people hated Carter on these boards. I would love to have either one of those back on the Flyers. I am happy for them on LA though getting the Cup and quite possibly another one this season.

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I liked both Richards and Carter but I know what you mean. It seemed a lot of people hated Carter on these boards. I would love to have either one of those back on the Flyers. I am happy for them on LA though getting the Cup and quite possibly another one this season.
id love carter back... i loved both of them but Richards ever since his concussion he's not the same player, he seems scared and cautious

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Does anyone view the Couturier love, Schenn dislike (or questioning) similar to the Richards and Carter views of the past? It is funny, because I always preferred Richards, but Carter is a better player now.
Tbh, outside of these boards and die hard Flyers fans, I don't think Couts gets much love at all.

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You have a seriously unhealthy obsession with defenders...
LOL. You maybe correct there.
As I have stated repeatedly Homer built this team backwards for years.
Finally they have a goalie, and some defensive prospects.
But for years they constructed a defense out of other teams spare parts.

Yeah I would love to have the best forward group in the NHL.
But, they need to have a competent defense to improve the chances of a cup.

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The fact that you pretty much stated Schenn and Couturier to be equal proves just how little intellectual knowledge you have about either player or the current situation regarding both players and the team itself, especially at the time of the Couturier draft pick.

At the time of the pick, the Flyers had just traded away Jeff Carter and Mike Richards, and only replaced those Center voids by acquiring Brayden Schenn, whom at the time had only amassed a handful of NHL games, and Chris Pronger had not yet had his career ending injury, thus the need for that top pairing defenseman wasn't as crucial as it is in this point in time(although was still a need). Sure we knew Pronger wasn't getting any younger, but we all figured we would get a few more seasons out of him, before he had that fluke eye injury.

Bravo.
LOL.
I did not say Coots and Schenn were equal.
I just commented on the fact that both are only average skaters.
It has become painfully obvious if you watch the team, that the team is slow.
They need to start evaluate players skating speed when drafting and trading to improve the team overall.

As far as drafting Coots is concerned, I would have been fine with them filling a center spot with a FA, instead.
When they traded Top 2 centers, it was rebuilding effort.
Not expecting to win Stanley Cup after the trades were made.
Would have preferred smooth skating Hamilton over Coots.
Hamiliton would have only been a prospect, but it would have been a start to building a defense.
But that is just my opinion.

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You don't understand, without couturier we aren't even in the talks for the playoffs, getting schen simmonds couts and voracek for just carter and Richards was a great deal

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You don't understand, without couturier we aren't even in the talks for the playoffs, getting schen simmonds couts and voracek for just carter and Richards was a great deal
I agree that getting Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek and a 1st round pick was a good deal for Richards and Carter.
I just disagree on what they did with #1 pick they acquired.

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LOL.
I did not say Coots and Schenn were equal.
I just commented on the fact that both are only average skaters.
It has become painfully obvious if you watch the team, that the team is slow.
They need to start evaluate players skating speed when drafting and trading to improve the team overall.

As far as drafting Coots is concerned, I would have been fine with them filling a center spot with a FA, instead.
When they traded Top 2 centers, it was rebuilding effort.
Not expecting to win Stanley Cup after the trades were made.
Would have preferred smooth skating Hamilton over Coots.
Hamiliton would have only been a prospect, but it would have been a start to building a defense.
But that is just my opinion.
ERRONEOUS.

Skating is one of three/four skills a player can improve on after drafted. Kesler has. The Sedins have. Tavares has. Getzlaf and Perry both did. Penner did. It's one of the easiest things for a prospect to correct. YOU DO NOT PASS ON A PLAYER BECAUSE HIS SKATING ISN'T UP TO SNUFF; SIMILARLY, YOU DO NOT DRAFT A PLAYER FOR HIS FOOTSPEED. It's idiotic.

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LOL. You maybe correct there.
As I have stated repeatedly Homer built this team backwards for years.
Finally they have a goalie, and some defensive prospects.
But for years they constructed a defense out of other teams spare parts.

Yeah I would love to have the best forward group in the NHL.
But, they need to have a competent defense to improve the chances of a cup.
I had no idea Pronger, Timonen, Coburn, Carle, Meszaros (before the injuries), etc. were spare parts.

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I agree that getting Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek and a 1st round pick was a good deal for Richards and Carter.
I just disagree on what they did with #1 pick they acquired.
Why? Couturier is the superior player at the moment. He is also, more than likely, the 2C you claim we don't have. Without Couturier we probably miss the playoffs.

Also, when we drafted Couturier, we still had a healthy Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn, and Meszaros on the roster. Unless you had foreseen Pronger's career ending injury, it made no sense to pass on Couturier.

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You don't understand, without couturier we aren't even in the talks for the playoffs, getting schen simmonds couts and voracek for just carter and Richards was a great deal
I don't think any Flyer fan thinks that those two trades weren't a great deal for the Flyers. Couturier is huge on the Flyers and plays the hardest minutes of any forward on the team.

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ERRONEOUS.

Skating is one of three/four skills a player can improve on after drafted. Kesler has. The Sedins have. Tavares has. Getzlaf and Perry both did. Penner did. It's one of the easiest things for a prospect to correct. YOU DO NOT PASS ON A PLAYER BECAUSE HIS SKATING ISN'T UP TO SNUFF; SIMILARLY, YOU DO NOT DRAFT A PLAYER FOR HIS FOOTSPEED. It's idiotic.
If thats the case then they bettter spend the whole off season working on thier skating.
Because either they improve their skating or watch the rest of the league skate circles around them
I didnt say draft a bunch of ice skaters and try to teach them hockey.
Lets keep drafting slower and less skilled players its worked so well in the last 39 years.

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If we had taken Hamilton over Couturier, we'd all be complaining right now about how we need a #2 shutdown center behind Giroux. While maybe not as hard to find as #1 defensemen, it's still a hard piece to find. It's 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

I'm really hoping next year is Couts' breakout year, offensively. We saw a couple kids from the 2010 draft class put it together this year, so I'm hoping that the 2011 class is the next to do it. Hopefully, Laughton taking some of the defensive burden, and getting him some PP time can make things easier, but we'll just have to wait and see.

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Switch out couturier for Hamilton and this isn't a playoff team.

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