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05-28-2014, 08:39 AM
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2 games ... he went for the head.
He didn't go for the head anymore than Mike Weaver did on Brassard.

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He should get one game. I have a sneaking suspicion he'll get two or three.
If he does, it is obvious the league is biased. No history and no injury = one game.

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A helmet may pop off due to whiplash. Habs are good at whiplash.

Eh. That was rude. But still.

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Imagine if this was the habs board,

"No hit to the head, he clearly threw the helmet off himself"
"Hardly even a penalty, Weise clearly ran him"
Everyone knows their fans are delusional.

Fact is, it was a dumb dumb dumb play by Moore, especially with the fact that this series is now under a microscope.

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Prust hit was a little later sure. But whether it was .2 or .4 later that's a little too nit picky for my taste.
I read somewhere that CBC clocked Moore's hit to .5 seconds after the puck and Prust to .93 or something similar. That is almost twice as late and that should be significant.

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05-28-2014, 08:43 AM
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I read somewhere that CBC clocked Moore's hit to .5 seconds after the puck and Prust to .93 or something similar. That is almost twice as late and that should be significant.
Per that Rule 56 thing time doesn't enter into it, really. If no other Hab was in possession, then Weise was still considered the puck carrier and fair game.

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05-28-2014, 08:43 AM
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I read somewhere that CBC clocked Moore's hit to .5 seconds after the puck and Prust to .93 or something similar. That is almost twice as late and that should be significant.
What should be significant but will probably be moot was the fact Prust's hit was a premeditated act, Moore's was not. It was more of a dumb heat of the moment play, Moore wasn't in the papers whining about the Canadiens. It wasn't a clean hit whether it was .5 or .93.

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05-28-2014, 08:45 AM
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If he does, it is obvious the league is biased. No history and no injury = one game.
I don't deny that. I think they are afraid of the repercussions of only giving Moore one game when they gave Prust two. Two is also a clear number as it is the amount of games left in the series (hopefully not).

That said, I'm proud of you guys. The way Montreal fans treated the Prust hit was despicable. I'm happy to see the general consensus on HFNYR and those who venture to the main boards echoing the statement that this was a suspendable hit. Kudos.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Weise was only 'dazed' after the hit because his helmet recklessly flew off and his head must have hit the ice first. I mean, there's something fishy here since PK had to hold Weise back from rejoining the fray AND he came back to the game.


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05-28-2014, 08:46 AM
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This hit was predatory and from the blindside, much like the Prust hit. He should get 1 game, based on history and injury outcome, but I would bet my house on him getting 2, just due to the stink the Montreal media will put up if Moore gets less games than Prust for very similar incidents.

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05-28-2014, 08:48 AM
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This hit was predatory and from the blindside, much like the Prust hit. He should get 1 game, based on history and injury outcome, but I would bet my house on him getting 2, just due to the stink the Montreal media will put up if Moore gets less games than Prust for very similar incidents.
But the outcomes are extremely different and the NHL has made it clear, injury has an impact on the suspension.

So, we'll call it the same exact hit for all intents and purposes:

Prust:
Breaks Stepan's Jaw
Has previous suspensions on Resume

Moore:
No Injury
Clean Record

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I hate seeing hits like this regardless of which team is the perpetrator. Bonehead play by Moore. I don't know if he was trying to get some revenge for Stepan, if he was just taking out his frustrations form the night, or if he just REALLY misjudged the hit, but either way, he deserves whatever he gets. Eco's Bones nailed it, imo. Hits like this should be 5 games MINIMUM, regardless of injury. If you can't learn how to throw a proper open-ice check, then don't ****ing throw them.

Hopefully Diaz comes in and plays well. He's made one crap play that I can recall (the OT play against Montreal). Perhaps he'll be able to redeem himself and help us get a win.

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05-28-2014, 08:51 AM
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But the outcomes are extremely different and the NHL has made it clear, injury has an impact on the suspension.

So, we'll call it the same exact hit for all intents and purposes:

Prust:
Breaks Stepan's Jaw
Has previous suspensions on Resume

Moore:
No Injury
Clean Record
Agreed on paper, but I would be surprised if he got less than 2 for the sake of the league not wanting this to take on any more life than it already has. Another interesting wrinkle is the in person hearing. If he gets more than two I will be pretty ticked.

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Yeah, what bothers me most is - first off a penalty is called on the ice, then the refs huddle, look at the board and give him 5 and a game. The same thing shouldve happend to Prust. After watching what was an almost identical hit, how Prust didnt get a single penalty minute for that hit in the game is appalling. Its something we all cried about when it happened, but now to see it played out the way it shouldve been, after the fact, against us is ****ing ********.

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Prust had been suspended in 2012 for an elbow to the head. He broke Stepan's jaw. If Stepan was not injured,I don't think Prust would have gotten anything. It was a late hit but the they called it "interference". Moore has no prior history. Its a playoff game. Moore will get a game. It wasn't a late hit. EJ Hradek spoke to player safety after the hit and they didn't view it as a late hit. AV said it was late. Was there contact with the head? The shoulder and not an elbow. Was the head the principal point of contact? Did he hit Weise in the chest? The NHL sort of changed that but nobody really knows what is going on. Was Weise hit in the chest and his helmet went flying off? Tomas Kopecky lost his helmet on a hit by Nash and everyone wanted Nash suspended. The injury got Prust suspended. Just because there is a hearing doesn't mean there will be a suspension. The NHL knew about the Stepan injury before they announced the hearing for Prust. They waited until 11AM to announce there was even a hearing. Quintal will find a reason to suspend Moore. You can argue Moore hit Weise in the chest with a shoulder and the helmet flies off.

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Stephane "My heart is in Montreal" Quintal will hit Moore with a five spot.

Watch.

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Watch Quintal give him like 5 games.

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Yeah, what bothers me most is - first off a penalty is called on the ice, then the refs huddle, look at the board and give him 5 and a game. The same thing shouldve happend to Prust. After watching what was an almost identical hit, how Prust didnt get a single penalty minute for that hit in the game is appalling. Its something we all cried about when it happened, but now to see it played out the way it shouldve been, after the fact, against us is ****ing ********.
And, yea, said similar in the GDT. Beyond frustrating. The huddle up w/ replay was used on this hit and Seabrook/Backes to hand out 5 & misconduct. How the Prust hit resulted in no PP is beyond me.

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Is there confirmation somewhere that this is a phone or in person hearing?

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Yeah, what bothers me most is - first off a penalty is called on the ice, then the refs huddle, look at the board and give him 5 and a game. The same thing shouldve happend to Prust. After watching what was an almost identical hit, how Prust didnt get a single penalty minute for that hit in the game is appalling. Its something we all cried about when it happened, but now to see it played out the way it shouldve been, after the fact, against us is ****ing ********.
None of the Ranger's injuries have been followed by a refs council and none probably will be despite all getting taken out on questionable hits (at best).

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That's a bad hit during any time of the game, but to throw a hit like that with 10 minutes remaining in the 3rd while the game is still in reach is just beyond stupid. Our discipline has been horrible the past few games and it has shown no sign of stopping. Stooping to Montreal's level will not win this series.

Also, yes, I know it's frustrating that Prust's penalty wasn't called and Moore's was. But two wrongs don't make a right. The officials were probably embarrassed that they didn't call a penalty on Prust when the hit resulted in a suspension. They sure as hell were not going to let that happen again in this series.

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Yeah, what bothers me most is - first off a penalty is called on the ice, then the refs huddle, look at the board and give him 5 and a game. The same thing shouldve happend to Prust. After watching what was an almost identical hit, how Prust didnt get a single penalty minute for that hit in the game is appalling. Its something we all cried about when it happened, but now to see it played out the way it shouldve been, after the fact, against us is ****ing ********.
What bothers me most is the refs in Game 3 were reffing game 3. They're horrible and shouldn't be allowed near another NHL game. The ref was watching Stepan and saw him go flying and didn't call anything. I am not sure what a fireable offense as a ref is or should be, but if he didn't call that what else isn't he calling?

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Agreed on paper, but I would be surprised if he got less than 2 for the sake of the league not wanting this to take on any more life than it already has. Another interesting wrinkle is the in person hearing. If he gets more than two I will be pretty ticked.
Where did you see the in person hearing?

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New York Rangers defenseman John Moore will have a hearing Wednesday with the NHL Department of Player Safety for a hit on Montreal Canadiens forward Dale Weise in the third period of Eastern Conference Final Game 5 on Tuesday.

Moore was assessed a match penalty at 10:41 of the third for his hit that knocked off Weise's helmet. Weise left the game briefly before returning to skate three more shifts.

The following grounds are being considered for supplemental discipline: illegal check to the head. However, the Department of Player Safety retains the right to make adjustments to the infraction upon review.

Montreal won the game, 7-4 to extend the series to a Game 6 on Thursday at Madison Square Garden.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...d=nhl:topheads

There was no illegal check to the head.

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No apparent injury on the play.

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Where did you see the in person hearing?



http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...d=nhl:topheads

There was no illegal check to the head.
Thought I saw someone post a tweet. But i can't find it and everything is saying it is unclear if it is an in-person.

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He's probably suspended, bad play...Unlike Habs fans when we see a crappy hit we dont rush to defend it like alot of them did with Prust.

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