HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Rick Nash Part II

View Poll Results: Do you want to get rid of Rick Nash?
Yes 153 65.95%
No 79 34.05%
Voters: 232. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-05-2014, 11:10 AM
  #26
KingWantsCup
Grinch who stole...
 
KingWantsCup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 5,573
vCash: 350
At this point I'm not sure if this is a long slump or this is the new Nash. I haven't seen talent just disappear like that since Heatley. Not saying that Nash doesn't care like Heatley does, but something is wrong. He just doesn't drive to the net anymore. That's how he scores the majority of his goals.

KingWantsCup is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 11:20 AM
  #27
OnlyRevolutions
Registered User
 
OnlyRevolutions's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 1,099
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingWantsCup View Post
At this point I'm not sure if this is a long slump or this is the new Nash. I haven't seen talent just disappear like that since Heatley. Not saying that Nash doesn't care like Heatley does, but something is wrong. He just doesn't drive to the net anymore. That's how he scores the majority of his goals.
I'm hoping it's just attributable to lingering concussion issues or a nagging injury that can be addressed in the off-season. Looks like he's playing a bit scared. Doesn't get into board battles (not that he really ever has), but he's keeping it to the outside instead of taking it to the blue paint.

Hopefully he'll be back in top form for the start of the '14 season, otherwise, we might have a bit of a problem.

Also, for what it's worth, his playoff play (given the small sample size) has always been subpar compared to his regular season. Maybe he just doesn't have the extra gear for playoff play.

OnlyRevolutions is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 11:58 AM
  #28
Inferno
HFB Partner
 
Inferno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Country: United States
Posts: 20,555
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianBoyle View Post
Nash was very good

He's been very good for about 8 games in a row now

He's been contributing offensively and is still a very valuable possession player

That's valuable against top lines, which he often plays against. Notice how Kopitar and Gaborik were invisible? That's not all McD.
yep. totally agreed. some people can't see past "omgz no goalz!!".

Inferno is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:02 PM
  #29
Jersey Girl
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,942
vCash: 500
The 3-on-1 Nash bungled last night was embarrassing, and gave his critics lots of fuel for their fire.

Aside from that, however, I thought Nash played pretty well. That entire line needs to step up big time in game 2, but I thought Nash was working hard along the boards. And he uses his body so much now (instead of scoring goals) I think that creates a dichotomy here - using his body so much makes you feel like concussions (or his fear of them) are not the issue people like to make it out to be, but then again concussions can't be the reason he's not scoring, either.

Jersey Girl is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:02 PM
  #30
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
 
Miamipuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Take a Wild Guess
Posts: 1,598
vCash: 500
I am not a big believer in a player making one mistake (that horrid 3-1) and vilifying him over it. I think Nash mirrored the entire team last night. He came out very good and ended up not so much, although Stepan was awful and didn't help Nash much. I do love his penalty killing though. Boyle and Nash take up huge area of ice with their sticks, it's fun to watch.

Miamipuck is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:06 PM
  #31
yrrebbor
Registered User
 
yrrebbor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: New York, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 798
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dactyl View Post
I feel like Nash's personality keeps him from being great. He seems like a quiet, mellow, nice guy. Kreider on the other hand seems like an arrogant ******* on the ice. If Nash was more cocky and confident, I think he would be one of the best forwards in the league.
Tell him, "second place is the first loser!"

yrrebbor is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:07 PM
  #32
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 15,616
vCash: 500
Nash had an OK game.

He just cant put it all together.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:15 PM
  #33
Off Sides
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,263
vCash: 745
Nash takes up far too much cap space, and ice time to be slightly better production wise than Brain Boyle in the playoffs. When we'd rather see Pouliot, or D Moore, maybe even Dorsett going up the ice with the puck on his stick than Nash, it's an issue no matter how much I think Nash has at least tried to help the team in other areas of the game.

Off Sides is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:30 PM
  #34
BroadwayBlues
oxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo
 
BroadwayBlues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New York City
Country: United States
Posts: 8,423
vCash: 500
I have seen nothing offensively that has wowed me. Where is his skills? Many times he looks like a 3rd/4th line player.

He's a big part of these odd man rushes looking like crap. The 2-1 against the Pens where he missed the net, stands out.

BroadwayBlues is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:33 PM
  #35
McDonaghisGod
Oh, the pain!
 
McDonaghisGod's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 6,802
vCash: 500
I think he's in horrible shape. Seems to have lost much of his former speed. Falls down way too much. Makes horrible decisions with puck on his stick. The dynamic player that we saw in Columbus seems to be distant memory. It's a shame because we could really use that guy in this series.

McDonaghisGod is online now  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:40 PM
  #36
we want cup
We do not Sow
 
we want cup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Minneapolis
Country: United States
Posts: 10,897
vCash: 500
The frustrating thing about Nash last night was that he'd make a good play by getting in on the forecheck or forcing a turnover, but then do something totally stupid that completely negated the earlier play.

For a guy who's supposed to be one of the best one on one players in the league, it's maddening that he can barely generate scoring chances in those situations.

Boyle created more offense than Nash last night.

__________________

RANGERS =
we want cup is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 12:50 PM
  #37
ReggieDunlop68
Hey Hanrahan!
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 1,934
vCash: 500
Rick Nash has provided the intensity and defensive prowess that is already fulfilled by players who are not only played significantly less, but do what he is doing significantly better. As the team is constructed, Rick Nash will need to score goals.


ReggieDunlop68 is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 01:15 PM
  #38
TankLarkin
Registered User
 
TankLarkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 543
vCash: 500
Okay, so Nash isn't scoring. That's pretty lame in itself but what really drives me nuts is his ability - or lack thereof - to hold onto the puck. 95% of the time he makes passes to guys who are covered or just loses the puck. The guy has either lost all confidence, or he was always this bad. regardless, sather must be seething up in his box.

TankLarkin is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 01:19 PM
  #39
McDonaghisGod
Oh, the pain!
 
McDonaghisGod's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 6,802
vCash: 500
Perhaps we can parlay his friendship with Thornton into him accepting a deal to SJ. I am rapidly getting sick of seeing this guy in Ranger uniform.

McDonaghisGod is online now  
Old
06-05-2014, 01:19 PM
  #40
azaloum90
Registered User
 
azaloum90's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Country: United States
Posts: 4,458
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TankLarkin View Post
Okay, so Nash isn't scoring. That's pretty lame in itself but what really drives me nuts is his ability - or lack thereof - to hold onto the puck. 95% of the time he makes passes to guys who are covered or just loses the puck. The guy has either lost all confidence, or he was always this bad. regardless, sather must be seething up in his box.
yes, even hageli has better ability to hold onto the puck for longer amounts of time.

azaloum90 is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 01:19 PM
  #41
Riche16
McCready guitar god
 
Riche16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: FL
Country: United States
Posts: 3,908
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
yep. totally agreed. some people can't see past "omgz no goalz!!".
Some can see past that but it's not enough, at least for me. No goals + not creating = not enough.

He tries. Great, ur supposed to ****ing try! It's the Stanley Cup Final for Christ's sake.

Bottom line, he hasn't been the same since the last concussion and IF the NYR are going to win, it will be in spite of him not scoring. That's a tough ask, especially against this LA team.

It's just not enough. No matter how you slice it.

Riche16 is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 01:29 PM
  #42
sfox7076
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 105
vCash: 500
We need him to play with an edge like he did when he was against Columbus. Even one game of him playing like a beast and not scoring a goal will open up more ice for Kreider and Stepan.

Kreider needs Nash to draw more people to him. And, well, Kreider also needs to do what he did game 1 against Montreal. Hard to the net. I don't get what happened to this line. Other than flashes of fire from Stepan, they have basically become the checking line as there is no offensive threat (and with Moore scoring big goals on the 4th line...).

sfox7076 is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 02:59 PM
  #43
HockeyBasedNYC
Registered User
 
HockeyBasedNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Here
Country: United States
Posts: 12,994
vCash: 500
Rick Nash needs to be a force to win this series.

At times early in game 1, he was looking like it, but never got to the net with a shot. The extra move, the backing in **** that he does, its gotta stop. If he wants to get to the middle of the ice, go there without the puck or do it earlier at the top of the zone. Dont wait until you are at the top or below the circles because the D-man covering him will have a short enough gap to stop and stick-check.

Its becoming a real problem for him and taking on a life of its own similar to the Rangers PP last postseason. The Rangers need him to be productive and scoring if they want to win the Cup. He is going to be the difference maker if everyone else is going.

Its so frustrating because he has all of the ability and has shown it in the past that if he wants something he can get it (see the Columbus game almost everyone here references in every ****ing post).

Hes got to stop trying to get to the middle all of the time because hes forcing it. Get a shot through a defensemans legs, shoot the puck and go to the net. I dont know. I dont know whats going on with him. Large stretch of the season last season with Step and Hags he was dominant. Its there somewhere.

HockeyBasedNYC is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 03:10 PM
  #44
ChrisKreider20
Oh Hai Guise
 
ChrisKreider20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,376
vCash: 500
Nash, Stepan and Staal for Malkin?

I'd do it.

ChrisKreider20 is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 06:55 PM
  #45
offdacrossbar
with the 10th pick..
 
offdacrossbar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: da cuse
Country: Tuvalu
Posts: 8,834
vCash: 500
for the record, rick nash looks to be gassed. he does everything in slo-mo.

his back check is occasional. his effort is inconsistent. his energy level seems to be minimal.

at this point he is a large, slow, plodding guy who wants to cycle but doesnt have the stamina to do it effectively.

he wants to beat guys wide and can with his long reach and wide frame but he looses pucks and too often attempts some of the weakest things that i think look like shots but im not sure.

he can skate fast but doesnt. his signature move- that cut across the ice and shoot it thing doesnt work enough and seems to be nothing more than a turnover waiting to happen.

when involved in an odd man rush, he basically just delivers the puck to the glass or to the opponents stick. its like he doesnt want to score....

his signature move now is something called "the flub" usually delivered slowly and without purpose.

hes really not doing anything if hes not scoring and.... he is not scoring.

offdacrossbar is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 09:16 PM
  #46
ChrisKreider20
Oh Hai Guise
 
ChrisKreider20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,376
vCash: 500
One thing I've noticed about Nash is he isn't the most intelligent player. If he has a choice of trying to beat a guy using skill or making the smart play, he'll always use skill.

He's like a person in an arcade who choose Scorpion when playing Mortal Kombat and just uses "Get Over Here" over and over again. Eventually the opponent adapts, and he's useless...

ChrisKreider20 is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 09:56 PM
  #47
JeffMangum
I'm v
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 58,901
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by offdacrossbar View Post
for the record, rick nash looks to be gassed. he does everything in slo-mo.

his back check is occasional. his effort is inconsistent.
No, no, and no. His effort level is perfectly fine. Kreider was talking in an interview from not too long ago about how much Nash busts his ass out there, and I see absolutely no signs of him giving a lackluster effort. His awareness is what offends me at times. He makes some awful reads.

Quote:
at this point he is a large, slow, plodding guy who wants to cycle but doesnt have the stamina to do it effectively.
Except he does cycle effectively, and he controls the puck when on the ice more that his opponents do, and that's playing against top lines.

Quote:
hes really not doing anything if hes not scoring and.... he is not scoring.
If you think controlling possession against other teams best players (while still throwing some points in there) is "doing nothing", I don't know what to tell you.

Yes, his goal total is disappointing. No, his overall play is not. If anything, his play, overall, is as well rounded as I've ever seen it.

__________________
Soon.
JeffMangum is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 09:58 PM
  #48
Lundquest
♔ -30- ♔
 
Lundquest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 1,432
vCash: 572
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianBoyle View Post
Yes, his goal total is disappointing. No, his overall play is not. If anything, his play, overall, is as well rounded as I've ever seen it.
Agreed.

Lundquest is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 11:22 PM
  #49
Jabroni
The People's Champ
 
Jabroni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 6,939
vCash: 500
I thought he had a very solid game last night. Solid on the defensive side of the puck. We still need scoring from him, though.

__________________
Jabroni is offline  
Old
06-05-2014, 11:31 PM
  #50
iamitter
Thornton's Hen
 
iamitter's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 3,435
vCash: 500
If anything, he's playing too conservatively defensively. He's not exactly a very fast guy, or hasn't been this season. He used to cheat to get breakaways. He hasn't done that once these playoffs. He occasionally plays a little more aggressively on the PK than others, but thats it. He has been the first man back on the backcheck consistently.

I'm not seeing a lack of effort level here.

iamitter is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:53 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.