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06-04-2014, 06:11 AM
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Facing the team that traded you in SCF

Daniel Carcillo may not be what people are thinking about going into the SC Final. But reading threw the suspenionthread on SC-board got me thinking. Is he in a quite unique situation?

He´s in the finals facing the team that traded him earlier the same season. I´m sure this has happened before. Any spectacular cases? Or for that mather, unspectacular

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06-04-2014, 06:12 AM
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Marian Hossa

He was with Pens when they lost to the Wings in 08

In 09 he was with the Wings when they lost to the Pens

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Oh crap just realized he wasn't traded...

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Not the same season, but Andrew Alberts was traded by the Bruins to Philadelphia in 2008 and played against them in the 2011 SC Finals.

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PlayerSEASON*TEAMPOSGamesPO GamesCUP?Transaction
Lane Myles1928-29NYRD24  January 21, 1929: Traded to Boston by NY Rangers for $7,500, January 21, 1929.
Lane Myles1928-29BOSD195Y 
Bibeault Paul1945-46BOSG16  January 6, 1946: Returned to Montreal by Boston as an injury replacement for Bill Durnan, January 6, 1946.
Bibeault Paul1945-46MTLG10   
Mcmahon Mike Sr.1945-46BOSD2  January 17, 1946: Returned to Montreal by Boston, January 17, 1946.
Mcmahon Mike Sr.1945-46MTLD13   
Macmillan John1963-64TORRW13  December 3, 1963: Claimed on waivers by Detroit from Toronto, December 3, 1963.
Macmillan John1963-64DETRW204  
Courtnall Geoff1987-88BOSLW62  March 8, 1988: Traded to Edmonton by Boston with Bill Ranford and Boston's 2nd round choice (Petro Koivunen) in 1988 Entry Draft for Andy Moog, March 8, 1988.
Courtnall Geoff1987-88EDMLW1219Y 
Lemay Moe1987-88EDMLW4  March 8, 1988: Traded to Boston by Edmonton for Alan May, March 8, 1988.
Lemay Moe1987-88BOSLW215  
Dahlquist Chris1990-91PITD22  December 11, 1990: Traded to Minnesota by Pittsburgh with Jim Johnson for Larry Murphy and Peter Taglianetti, December 11, 1990.
Dahlquist Chris1990-91MNSD4223  
Johnson Jim1990-91PITD24  December 11, 1990: Traded to Minnesota by Pittsburgh with Chris Dahlquist for Larry Murphy and Peter Taglianetti, December 11, 1990.
Johnson Jim1990-91MNSD4414  
Murphy Larry1990-91MNSD31  December 11, 1990: Traded to Pittsburgh by Minnesota with Peter Taglianetti for Chris Dahlquist and Jim Johnson, December 11, 1990.
Murphy Larry1990-91PITD4423Y 
Taglianetti Peter1990-91MNSD16  December 11, 1990: Traded to Pittsburgh by Minnesota with Larry Murphy for Chris Dahlquist and Jim Johnson, December 11, 1990.
Taglianetti Peter1990-91PITD3919Y 
Fetisov Viacheslav1994-95NJD4  April 3, 1995: Traded to Detroit by New Jersey for Detroit's 3rd round choice (David Gosselin) in 1995 Entry Draft, April 3, 1995.
Fetisov Viacheslav1994-95DETD1418  
Plante Derek1998-99BUFC41  March 23, 1999: Traded to Dallas by Buffalo for Dallas' 2nd round choice (Michael Zigomanis) in 1999 Entry Draft, March 23, 1999.
Plante Derek1998-99DALC106Y 

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PlayerSEASON*TEAMPOSGamesPO GamesCUP?Transaction
Lane Myles1928-29NYRD24  January 21, 1929: Traded to Boston by NY Rangers for $7,500, January 21, 1929.
Lane Myles1928-29BOSD195Y 
Bibeault Paul1945-46BOSG16  January 6, 1946: Returned to Montreal by Boston as an injury replacement for Bill Durnan, January 6, 1946.
Bibeault Paul1945-46MTLG10   
Mcmahon Mike Sr.1945-46BOSD2  January 17, 1946: Returned to Montreal by Boston, January 17, 1946.
Mcmahon Mike Sr.1945-46MTLD13   
Macmillan John1963-64TORRW13  December 3, 1963: Claimed on waivers by Detroit from Toronto, December 3, 1963.
Macmillan John1963-64DETRW204  
Courtnall Geoff1987-88BOSLW62  March 8, 1988: Traded to Edmonton by Boston with Bill Ranford and Boston's 2nd round choice (Petro Koivunen) in 1988 Entry Draft for Andy Moog, March 8, 1988.
Courtnall Geoff1987-88EDMLW1219Y 
Lemay Moe1987-88EDMLW4  March 8, 1988: Traded to Boston by Edmonton for Alan May, March 8, 1988.
Lemay Moe1987-88BOSLW215  
Dahlquist Chris1990-91PITD22  December 11, 1990: Traded to Minnesota by Pittsburgh with Jim Johnson for Larry Murphy and Peter Taglianetti, December 11, 1990.
Dahlquist Chris1990-91MNSD4223  
Johnson Jim1990-91PITD24  December 11, 1990: Traded to Minnesota by Pittsburgh with Chris Dahlquist for Larry Murphy and Peter Taglianetti, December 11, 1990.
Johnson Jim1990-91MNSD4414  
Murphy Larry1990-91MNSD31  December 11, 1990: Traded to Pittsburgh by Minnesota with Peter Taglianetti for Chris Dahlquist and Jim Johnson, December 11, 1990.
Murphy Larry1990-91PITD4423Y 
Taglianetti Peter1990-91MNSD16  December 11, 1990: Traded to Pittsburgh by Minnesota with Larry Murphy for Chris Dahlquist and Jim Johnson, December 11, 1990.
Taglianetti Peter1990-91PITD3919Y 
Fetisov Viacheslav1994-95NJD4  April 3, 1995: Traded to Detroit by New Jersey for Detroit's 3rd round choice (David Gosselin) in 1995 Entry Draft, April 3, 1995.
Fetisov Viacheslav1994-95DETD1418  
Plante Derek1998-99BUFC41  March 23, 1999: Traded to Dallas by Buffalo for Dallas' 2nd round choice (Michael Zigomanis) in 1999 Entry Draft, March 23, 1999.
Plante Derek1998-99DALC106Y 

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Thanks pnep, great as usual!

More uncommon than I tought.

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Doug Lidster was traded to the Rangers and wound up facing the Canucks in the 1994 finals. Was very odd seeing Lidster beat the Canucks as a Ranger.

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Doug Lidster was traded to the Rangers and wound up facing the Canucks in the 1994 finals. Was very odd seeing Lidster beat the Canucks as a Ranger.
in the off-season though.

i remember fetisov also, but he was basically given away as an expendable part.

the really interesting one was the larry murphy because, then as now, i have no idea why that trade was made. the only time that a blockbuster trade resulted in both teams getting to the finals, but the trade looked lopsided when it happened and obviously would continue to look lopsided after all was said and done. it's like bobby clarke could be up there in the press box in the dying moments game six (or hell, being that it was an 8-0 blowout i guess he could do it the entire game) and say to himself "oops."

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In 96-97 season Paul Coffey was traded to Whalers, but ended up with the Flyers and then faced DRW in the Finals. Was a shadow of himself.

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Gaborik... almost

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Doesn't quite fit the criteria, but the Devils/Ducks did make a notable trade during the summer of 2002. In a nutshell, the Devils got Jeff Friesen and Oleg Tverdovsky and the Ducks got Petr Sykora. The two teams would meet in the Finals the following season.

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Andy Moog is one that comes to mind first for me. In 1988 he was holding out when Edmonton traded him. Lemelin was more or less the starting goalie for Boston in 1988 but Moog did get some time in there. By 1990 when the Oilers and Bruins met in the final again Moog was the #1 goalie and the Bruins were in much better shape to win the Cup. It never happened then either. The thing is if Moog had waited a couple of years after 1988 he would have seen that Fuhr got himself into a little bit of trouble with his substance abuse and he could have been the Oilers goalie in 1990 instead of Ranford. Just saying.

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In 96-97 season Paul Coffey was traded to Whalers, but ended up with the Flyers and then faced DRW in the Finals. Was a shadow of himself.
1,000 times this. He was never the same after Detroit.

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Carcillo is a marginal player. Pretty much a non factor. The Rangers traded away Gaborik.

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the really interesting one was the larry murphy because, then as now, i have no idea why that trade was made. the only time that a blockbuster trade resulted in both teams getting to the finals, but the trade looked lopsided when it happened and obviously would continue to look lopsided after all was said and done. it's like bobby clarke could be up there in the press box in the dying moments game six (or hell, being that it was an 8-0 blowout i guess he could do it the entire game) and say to himself "oops."
There's no debating that this was an awful trade on the part of the Minnesota North Stars. That being said, I will try my best to explain what Bob Clarke was thinking when that deal went down.

At the time, Clarke claimed he made the deal to add some veteran presence to the North Stars' defense. Outside of Larry Murphy and Curt Giles, the bulk of Minnesota's consisted of young guys like Shawn Chambers, Mark Tinordi, Neil Wilkinson, Brian Glynn, and Rob Zettler. Of these players, only Chambers and Tinordi could have been considered NHL regulars at the time and their experience was still limited. Glynn had played 67 games for Calgary in 1987-88, but in the two seasons that followed found himself relegated to the Flames farm team in Salt Lake City until he was dealt to the North Stars on October 26, 1990 for Frantisek Musil. Wilkinson and Zettler had 69 games of NHL experience between the two of them.

Shortly before the 1990-91 season began, Minnesota picked up Peter Taglianetti from Winnipeg for future considerations. The acquistion was made out of desperation because Mark Tinordi had been suspended for 10 games after leaving the penalty box during a preseason scrap with Chicago. Without Tinordi, the North Stars' blueline was precariously green so adding Taglianetti (who had more NHL experience than most of their defensemen) was simply meant to fill the veteran void.

One must also remember that Larry Murphy wasn't as highly regarded then as he would be in the coming years with Pittsburgh and Detroit. Minnesota had acquired him from Washington at the trade deadline in 1989. This was after he had more or less been booed out of town by the Capitals' fanbase (ironically, the same thing would happen to him years later in Toronto). The general line on Murphy during this time was that he was a defenseman who could put up big points, but was also on the ice for more goals-against than goals-for. On a struggling team with a young and inexperienced blueline like Minnesota, his defensive deficiencies and atrocious plus-minus were magnified. While he was easily the North Stars' best defenseman on paper, in the eyes of coach Pierre Page and his successor Bob Gainey, Murphy had become somewhat of a liability during his time in Minnesota.

It is also necessary to note that at the time of the trade (December 11, 1990) the North Stars were 9-17-6 and really had no expectation that they would be playing hockey well into the month of May. The trade of Murphy came off as a shedding salary/rebuild move.

In acquiring Jim Johnson and Chris Dahlquist, Minnesota was receiving two solid NHL regular blueliners; something they were in dire need of. Unfortunately, it took dealing a future HHOFer in Murphy to improve their defensive depth. Murphy went to Pittsburgh and never really looked back. With the Penguins, he wasn't really expected to be the number-one defensive guy, as Paul Coffey, Zarley Zalapski, and later Ulf Samuelsson were there to share the responsibilities.

Jim Johnson was the big piece coming the North Stars' way and while he played very well for the organization for the next four seasons, his contributions paled in comparison to Murphy's run in Pittsburgh which included back-to-back Stanley Cups. Taglianetti was seen as a throw-in, but when all was said and done you could argue that the Penguins got more out of Taglianetti than the North Stars got out of Dahlquist.

Perhaps what was most surprising of all is that the papers in Minnesota didn't really paint it as a bad trade or at least not until after the 1991 Stanley Cup Finals came to a close. In fact, some argued the trade turned Minnesota's season around as they slowly but surely started playing better after Christmas. I remember a few writers pointing out that Larry Murphy's departure allowed Mark Tinordi to elevate his game to another level and start contributing offensively. While this could be true, I don't see how Tinordi wouldn't have progressed the same way had Murphy remained in Minnesota, especially when you consider that a year after the North Stars run to the Cup finals their defense had been completely rearranged. Curt Giles retired. Shawn Chambers and Brian Glynn were traded away. Neil Wilkinson and Rob Zettler were swiped by the San Jose Sharks in the expansion draft.


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Ed Litzenberger was on Chicago's championship team in 1960-61, then played for Toronto as they defeated the Hawks in the 1961-62 final. He had a stop in Detroit in between.


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