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06-08-2014, 10:47 AM
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There's wiggle room. Brassard could move up to 4.

And I don't think so, regarding Miller. It's not like Richards is the driving force behind his line. I, for one, think Miller would look great with wingers of Hagelin's/MSL's caliber. He's a talented guy, he needs to be with talented players, at his natural position. I think we can afford the growing pains with our overall depth.
Have been saying for more than a year that Miller is natural complement for Kreider, doesn't matter if that is 1st or 2nd line, it's the player combo. Add MSL while waiting for his replacement. Speed kills.

As for Hagelin see him + Zuc with Brassard in pivot as better combo.
Trade Stepan in a bundle for top, top offer.

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06-08-2014, 10:54 AM
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No. Move Stepan to center St. Louis and Hagelin. Perfect fit eventually once they figure it out. I love the idea of Miller with Kreider. Miller might actually even get Nash to play big in big games for once.

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06-08-2014, 12:55 PM
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Have been saying for more than a year that Miller is natural complement for Kreider, doesn't matter if that is 1st or 2nd line, it's the player combo. Add MSL while waiting for his replacement. Speed kills.

As for Hagelin see him + Zuc with Brassard in pivot as better combo.
Trade Stepan in a bundle for top, top offer.
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No. Move Stepan to center St. Louis and Hagelin. Perfect fit eventually once they figure it out. I love the idea of Miller with Kreider. Miller might actually even get Nash to play big in big games for once.
Been saying this for awhile myself. Top 6 next year should be:

Hagelin-Stepan-MSL
Kreider-Miller-Nash

You can flip flop Nash and MSL to see how they play with those specific linemates, but Step and MSL have great chemistry, and Kreider-Nash are becoming closer friends, and better linemates as well. I think that's a SOLID top 6, and brings us the cap relief we need to keep the bottom 6 intact:

Poo-Brass-Zucc
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett/Carcillo

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06-08-2014, 01:17 PM
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I love Stralman but isn't this the reason you draft guys like McIlrath? If Stralman demands 5M on the open market which he will get then we let him walk and pencil in McI AND LIVE with the growing pains...I am not comparing the two but next year if the spot is open he needs the chance

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06-08-2014, 05:37 PM
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I love Stralman but isn't this the reason you draft guys like McIlrath? If Stralman demands 5M on the open market which he will get then we let him walk and pencil in McI AND LIVE with the growing pains...I am not comparing the two but next year if the spot is open he needs the chance
i think the more conservative fans prefer that the guy waiting in the wings takes a spot when he gets a chance (injury, bad play, player scratched, etc) in hope that the prospect blows their socks off, then becomes insanely beast, to the point you can trade the player that initially held their spot in order to solidify another roster requirement....

I prefer that method as well.. I'm not in for penciling players into roster spots. Gives them entitlement that they in most cases dont deserve. Edmonton has done this... they just stick their freshly found #1 picks into the fire and expect them to change the world... the roster ends up turning over so often that nobody gets to form any chemistry, and you're always chasing tomorrow, while never dealing with the issues you have today. Having young dummy's in the lineup makes it twice as bad.

The only reason why I can accept that Miller can be penciled in is because a) We need the cap savings, and b) he's been relatively decent, and given the way he has previously excelled with Kreider, there is no reason not to allow him the opportunity.

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the thing is...stralman is WORTH 4-5 mil a year based on his play...i mean..he passes the numbers test AND the eye test. damn good defenseman.

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06-09-2014, 11:31 AM
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i think the more conservative fans prefer that the guy waiting in the wings takes a spot when he gets a chance (injury, bad play, player scratched, etc) in hope that the prospect blows their socks off, then becomes insanely beast, to the point you can trade the player that initially held their spot in order to solidify another roster requirement....

I prefer that method as well.. I'm not in for penciling players into roster spots. Gives them entitlement that they in most cases dont deserve. Edmonton has done this... they just stick their freshly found #1 picks into the fire and expect them to change the world... the roster ends up turning over so often that nobody gets to form any chemistry, and you're always chasing tomorrow, while never dealing with the issues you have today. Having young dummy's in the lineup makes it twice as bad.

The only reason why I can accept that Miller can be penciled in is because a) We need the cap savings, and b) he's been relatively decent, and given the way he has previously excelled with Kreider, there is no reason not to allow him the opportunity.
We shouldn't be afraid of having 2-3 initial passengers in the lineup. Like Diaz, Miller and co.

Almost half the team has been those types one time or another. If nothing else they WILL gain value and can be used as trade chips.

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Just to illustrate a point, if we iced the following team next season, what trade value would Lindberg, Miller, Fasth and Diaz have at the deadline? Heck we could deal Moore for a pick or two at the deadline and play Allen in his role.

Kreider-Lindberg-Nash
Hags-Step-MSL
Miller-Brass-Zucc
Dorsett-Moore-Fast
McD-Girardi
Staal-Diaz
Moore/Allen-Klein

Fasth would play for any top 9 winger or center that is hurt, easily 40-60 games in the top 9, if not more.

All players could handle te roles they would be put in, and do fairly well.

I am not suggesting that we should ice that lineup, but if we did the players give shot would definitely gain a lot in value...

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All I know is we have major problems at center. I do like Miller a lot and he'sdefinitely a better fit with Kreider and Nash than Stepan.

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Agreed but Pouliot is going to want 4 years minimum and a big Increase.
You need to replace Richards Points/Leadership/depth/compete level/mentoring.
I think Gionta could deliver in a more reduced role than he had in Montreal.
We need some older Leader who wants to finish his career in NYC.
Then trade him!

Too many people want to just hope a small tinkering of status quo will get it done.
No.
Our core McD, Kreider, Hank stays
everyone else, try to bundle SELECTIVELY and get 1 or 2 upgrades.

Too many guys we can't afford.
Move some people.

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06-09-2014, 01:08 PM
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All I know is we have major problems at center. I do like Miller a lot and he'sdefinitely a better fit with Kreider and Nash than Stepan.
im not sure how you could say that, Stepans a better passer, those 2 are finishers.

Id really like Miller between Fasth and MSL...hed give that trio a little more size and snarl, and hes got talent.

Hagelin and MSL both are pretty good on the backcheck to offset his mishaps.

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i think the more conservative fans prefer that the guy waiting in the wings takes a spot when he gets a chance (injury, bad play, player scratched, etc) in hope that the prospect blows their socks off, then becomes insanely beast, to the point you can trade the player that initially held their spot in order to solidify another roster requirement....

I prefer that method as well.. I'm not in for penciling players into roster spots. Gives them entitlement that they in most cases dont deserve. Edmonton has done this... they just stick their freshly found #1 picks into the fire and expect them to change the world... the roster ends up turning over so often that nobody gets to form any chemistry, and you're always chasing tomorrow, while never dealing with the issues you have today. Having young dummy's in the lineup makes it twice as bad.

The only reason why I can accept that Miller can be penciled in is because a) We need the cap savings, and b) he's been relatively decent, and given the way he has previously excelled with Kreider, there is no reason not to allow him the opportunity.
While I agree there needs to be competition and best player wins that job, I disagree with the conservative approach.

The liberal approach would have that competition direct at square 1.
In your conservative ideal, there is less progression, more regression. A better player still has to wait until an opportunity presents itself, according to you.

Usually, when the shackles are off and it is fair, unmanipulated, liberalism usually defeats conservativism.

I think that applies to sport as well.
Just to make an extreme example to fully prove the point, you don't wait to give Lou Gerhig the gig because Wally Pip got injured. If Yankees had not in fact done as you illustrate, then would have benefited from the switch to Gehrig that much earlier.

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People penciling Miller into the top 6 and McI into the top 4. SMH.

Also, Allen is far more hockey ready then McI.

Also, comparing how Lou Gehrig came to play for the Yankees. Jeez.

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Lines are not just about offensive chemistry. Kreider-Miller-Nash would be a defensive disaster.

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Not what I said...I would have Klein move to second pairing replacing Stralman and have McIlrath on the bottom pairing...We can't afford to pay Stralman 5M a year




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People penciling Miller into the top 6 and McI into the top 4. SMH.

Also, Allen is far more hockey ready then McI.

Also, comparing how Lou Gehrig came to play for the Yankees. Jeez.

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People penciling Miller into the top 6 and McI into the top 4. SMH.

Also, Allen is far more hockey ready then McI.

Also, comparing how Lou Gehrig came to play for the Yankees. Jeez.
we may have no choice. the cap is really going to hurt us.

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im not sure how you could say that, Stepans a better passer, those 2 are finishers.

Id really like Miller between Fasth and MSL...hed give that trio a little more size and snarl, and hes got talent.

Hagelin and MSL both are pretty good on the backcheck to offset his mishaps.
Stepan is a very good hockey player, and Miller is a rookie.

But, Miller breaks the patter more than Stepan. You don't often see Step taking the puck to the net or making a stick handling move or whatever.

Also, in general I think people are selling Miller a big short defensively.

Also II, it's not unusual that Nash and Kreider plays 16.30-18.30 a game, that is not a ton for a rookie.

In the end, I think AV is sticking with the top line he got. I mean, in the conference we are in a lot is won if you can shut down a top line and our line can play a 0-0 game against anyone without giving up momentum. But...

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I think a rookie could probably fill Pouliot's role if he's demanding too much.

Also, it looks like we're on the order of $3.7B in revenue this season. Looking at somewhere's between $69.5 and $70.5m cap if true.

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I just hope this was glens last ride... Tht would be good enough for me... I don't need a Stanley cup final win... Just cut off the ugly head of this monster of an "organization"

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Few things I would do

Trade Staal
Trade Nash if there's something good they can get for him
Buyout Richards
Resign everyone (depending on price) except Pouliot
Play McI from day 1.

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Few things I would do

Trade Staal
Trade Nash if there's something good they can get for him
Buyout Richards
Resign everyone (depending on price) except Pouliot
Play McI from day 1.
Can't disagree with much of this. It might make sense to wait on Nash as I imagine this might be selling low (and truth be told I don't think he's been terrible, just not worth the 8m....so I imagine they'll be a point when his value is higher)

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Few things I would do

Trade Staal
Trade Nash if there's something good they can get for him
Buyout Richards
Resign everyone (depending on price) except Pouliot
Play McI from day 1.
I think trading Girardi has to be on this list as well

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I think trading Girardi has to be on this list as well
I wouldn't trade both until one of the other D prospects is ready. Would hope Staal can fetch a good forward. I'm sure his stock has dropped a bit since the injury. He's definitely not playing at the level he was a couple years back.

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I wouldn't trade both until one of the other D prospects is ready. Would hope Staal can fetch a good forward. I'm sure his stock has dropped a bit since the injury. He's definitely not playing at the level he was a couple years back.
I rather trade Girardi honestly, I think Staal can still be a solid Dman. Girardi looks like a slow, declining player who is terrible at handling the puck and is inaccurate shooter

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I think trading Girardi has to be on this list as well
Seem unlikely though given they just signed him to an extension. Capgeek says modified ntc, not sure what that means.

In the right deal, Girardi could be traded, but I suspect his pension for knocking pucks into his own net is largely just a factor of the pure # of shots he deflects in *any* direction. Eventually some are bound to go in. Rangers need to get something for him if they trade him.

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