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06-12-2014, 04:51 PM
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There you go, now the refs call doesn't loom as large.

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To say that it occurs to the extent, and with the repercussions, it does in soccer is nuts.

I mean, really. The referee literally took this game out of Croatia's hands by calling a very clear flop as a penalty shot.
Can you really blame the ref though? He's afraid that if he makes a call in favor of Croatia, the fans are going to storm the field and chop his head off. Brazilian fans are nuts.

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Thank god I never said it occurred with the same repercussions then...

Took the game out of their hands? They've had 2 excellent opportunities to equalise since the penalty.

At a fundamental level, how is it any different to not disallowing the Kings goal in game 2? Both were judgement calls that lead to a goal
If this game ended 2-1, then the refs would've stolen the game from Croatia. It's as simple as that.

The refs did take Game 2 from the Rangers, but by the rules of the sports penalties in soccer usually have a bigger impact, which makes bad reffing more unacceptable.

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Croatian GK is ****ing awful.

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Croatian GK is ****ing awful.
Should have saved that first one and the penalty if he didn't had baby soft wrists but the last one was a freaking brilliant finish by Oscar so much harder to predict and save that you can think. Savable though but well deserved for Oscar who was the best player on the pitch here.

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Brazil took a page out of the Canadians book I see. What a dive to get that PK!

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06-12-2014, 06:32 PM
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Horrendous dive and then an awful call by the ref. Yup, the World Cup has officially begun!

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06-12-2014, 06:36 PM
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Can you really blame the ref though? He's afraid that if he makes a call in favor of Croatia, the fans are going to storm the field and chop his head off. Brazilian fans are nuts.
This is exactly what I said to my friend.

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06-12-2014, 06:43 PM
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They won't because FIFA is the most corrupt organization in the world. Good chance we see BRA-ARG final. The ratings for that would be ridculous.
Big Money = Corruption. I dnt think the NHL, NBA, NFL etc are any better.

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06-12-2014, 06:48 PM
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Big Money = Corruption. I dnt think the NHL, NBA, NFL etc are any better.
It's been proven that a great deal of matches in the sport have been fixed. It's corrupt from top to bottom. Much more so than any other sport.

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06-12-2014, 07:18 PM
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Big Money = Corruption. I dnt think the NHL, NBA, NFL etc are any better.
FIFA is dirty, just look at the whole Qatar fiasco. But matchfixing on the biggest stage? I'm not sure.

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06-12-2014, 07:31 PM
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Reffing is a problem in most games when the favorites play vs underdogs.
Calls tend to go in favor of the favorites/bigger nations. Just the way it is.
Harder to make calls against the team everyone expects to win, wouldnt call that corruption. Just refs being humans.

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FIFA is dirty, just look at the whole Qatar fiasco. But matchfixing on the biggest stage? I'm not sure.
I wouldnt be surprised...As we saw today, all it takes is one horrendous penalty call in the box. At the very least that ref from Japan is going to get a nice dinner in Sao Paulo tonight.

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FIFA is dirty, just look at the whole Qatar fiasco. But matchfixing on the biggest stage? I'm not sure.

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06-12-2014, 08:36 PM
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I see some extremly close offside calls where some was correct imo, a offensive foul which gets called more often than not in favor for the defender and a terrible yellow (red) card. What is maybe suspect with it is that it happend in Asia, a market well know for corrupt gambling but the calls by themself can you see in every game.

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FIFA is dirty, just look at the whole Qatar fiasco. But matchfixing on the biggest stage? I'm not sure.
The ref was Brazil friendly, not corrupt.

Like, to be honest, the ref was more unlucky than anything else that he decided to gift wrap a goal for Brazil in a situation where -- no -- jersey was held. There are 5 penalty shots more worthy per corner than that situation lol.

Wasn't there a very tough red card in the home opener of the Euro Cup too?

Anyway, there is only one thing to learn from situations like this. There is no ref good enough, nor will there ever be one, that is "good" enough to not be bona fide super neutral. **** will hit teh fan if you try to direct things. The NHL is messin with this crap too. I mean, even like making a list like they did a while back with Hollweg and co should have been a no-no.

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Brazilians dive? That's new!

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Anyway, for today. go Cameroon, Spain and Chile!

Brazil will go bye-bye in the Round of the last 16 either way. Will very likely face Spain or the Netherlands. Good luck against that with this kind of performance.

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06-13-2014, 03:07 AM
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Terrible call on the penalty kick. The guy dove and the ref fell for it.

Spain vs Netherlands tomorrow should be a good one. Rematch of the final in 2010. Spain's a little older this time around and the Netherlands' team is still decent, but not as good as it was back in 2010. Still should be a good match though.

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It's been proven that a great deal of matches in the sport have been fixed. It's corrupt from top to bottom. Much more so than any other sport.
Yeah, but I don't think its isolated to Soccer anymore, although its in terms of absolut numbers is the sport with the biggest problems.

By all indiciation, a big soccer game was rigged here in Sweden like a week ago. Half an hour before the game starts someone in Asia bets roughly 1.5m USD on that one team will win with +2.5 goals in a fairly even game. Its like betting on us beating Philly with +3.5 goals, and given that it was a second tier soccer game in Sweden, its like betting 150m USD on it, kind of. The game of course ended 4-0...

You can bet on anything here in Europe. Hockey games at all levels, etc. If they can get to a soccer game like that I can't see how they can't get to hockey games etc.

Very odd really, I mean the players, refs or whomever is in charge, they risk tough criminal charges, very long suspensions (border line career ending for most), and extreme public humiliation if they get caught. Still, they can't prevent it. I do wonder how they manage to pull these things off.

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I think a big problem is they're having refs from basically all confederations in the World Cup. A ref from Japan is just not used to the level of speed (and embellishment) played by guys who are stars in Europe's big 4 leagues. Plain and simple as that, imo.

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I think a big problem is they're having refs from basically all confederations in the World Cup. A ref from Japan is just not used to the level of speed (and embellishment) played by guys who are stars in Europe's big 4 leagues. Plain and simple as that, imo.
The reffing in the UEFA CL hasn't been any better though - despite refs from the big leagues.

I don't think the match was fixed, but just a ref who was intimidated by the atmosphere.

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I think they need to have 2 more referees on the pitch during a game. Each to stand next to the goal and watch the action in the box. It would be alot easier to distinguish the penalties from the dives. The ref yesterday made the call from like 20 yards out.

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I think a big problem is they're having refs from basically all confederations in the World Cup. A ref from Japan is just not used to the level of speed (and embellishment) played by guys who are stars in Europe's big 4 leagues. Plain and simple as that, imo.
J League is good enough. Things happen rly fast and even experienced refs can make mistakes.

Anyone remember this CL game



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J League is good enough. Things happen rly fast and even experienced refs can make mistakes.

Anyone remember this CL game


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