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Hybrid Icing

View Poll Results: Should it stay?
Yes 11 10.48%
No 46 43.81%
Refine it 30 28.57%
It helps the refs at continuing being inconsistent 18 17.14%
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06-14-2014, 01:04 PM
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It is absolutely DREADFUL. You have taken a play which is NOT SUBJECTIVE and turned it into something which is now SUBJECTIVE. And of course, with these buffoons in stripes, whenever something is subjective they will feck it up.

There was no reason to do this. NONE. It is a joke and needs to go back.
Completely agree. I also feel as though the refs don't know exactly HOW to call it. I've seen different ways implemented at different times. It also prevents any hustle play down to the line, and the refs often blow the whistle before the guy even gets to the dot/or before the puck crosses the line. These may seem like minor details, but they make a huge difference. Bring the original rule back.

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The way that hybrid icing was called was so subjective. Needs a big overhaul, but honestly it would be easier/cleaner to just go to IIHF style icing

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06-14-2014, 04:36 PM
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Its been a terrible failure and has screwed every team multiple times, it needs refinement.

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This series made me despise hybrid icing a lot.

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06-14-2014, 09:16 PM
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I can understand the thought process that went behind in implementing such a rule, but I think we saw the most disastrous end result at the worst possible time of what happens when something like an icing is left to the ref's discretion. I'm not insinuating that this is in fact what was the downfall of the Rangers but I lost count in how many times in this series alone where a Ranger had a King beat to the puck but the ref felt the need to blow the whistle.
What's worse is that everytime a Ranger would be the first one to touch the puck, it gets called. When it was vice versa, they wouldn't call it.

It literally made no sense when they would call it and when they wouldn't. It was completely random.

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06-15-2014, 09:56 AM
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They need to refine the rule. It's not bad in itself since it helps cut down on injuries, but there's a lot of stupid crap involved with it.

Right now the main thing is that the referees tend to call it horribly. A guy can be skating full speed and even get ahead of the defender and they'll call it in favor of the defender.

Tie should always go to the offense.

If a player isn't skating at a decent pace it should get called off no matter what.

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06-15-2014, 09:59 AM
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Definitely needs to be refined. I see what they're going for, but those 50/50 puck races need to be discussed more.

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06-15-2014, 06:15 PM
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woops.

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06-15-2014, 06:21 PM
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Horrific


All I really have to say about it is that it's horrific, but HF won't let me just write "horrific", so yeah, it's horrific

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06-15-2014, 06:26 PM
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They tried it. It is terrible. They need to go back or find a better way.

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06-15-2014, 06:28 PM
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Yeah, it was a problem this year... just part of an overall narrative of poor officiating.

It's one of the rules that needs to be reviewed... and we'll probably end up with IIHF style automatic icing.
Would so much rather automatic.

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06-15-2014, 06:31 PM
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Definitely needs to be refined. I see what they're going for, but those 50/50 puck races need to be discussed more.
It's such a subjective call. I'm not even sure the refs even knew most of the time what constituted calling it one way or the other.

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06-16-2014, 06:42 AM
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Hybrid icing sucks, but I don't think they will go back to touch icing. In my opinion you should either have instant icing or touch icing. There is just to much guesswork involved in the hybrid calls.
Agreed. The number one complaint I hear from non-fans and casual fans is that they don't understand the rules. And explaining hybrid icing to someone who doesn't already understand touch or no-touch icing is awful.

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06-16-2014, 07:00 AM
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I like it even though it dulls the game down a bit and makes races for the puck super boring. It just needs serious revisions.

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If you ice the puck but it's going right to an opponent, that player should be forced to play the puck or at least attempt to. So many guys clear as day avoid the puck at all costs in order to draw the icing. Makes for a lot of unnecessary stoppages.

Pet peeve - if it's going in the paint(maybe even the trapezoid) make the goalie play the puck or call off the icing.

Just too many icings. Races are too heavily dependent on the ref's and they can be completely wrong about who will get there first.

It either needs revisions or to be removed entirely. Safety is important for sure, but it just slows stuff too much

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06-16-2014, 08:55 AM
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Everyone knew that at some point in the playoffs hybrid icing, and the delay of game penalty would play large roles in determining the outcome of games. Imagine the uproar if a team gets a delay of game penalty in game 7 ot and loses the cup on the ensuing pp.

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06-16-2014, 02:23 PM
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The problem with hybrid icing is that the quicker team gets screwed every time. There were numerous times when you knew if it was the old icing the Ranger would've gotten to the puck first but since it's hybrid none of that is taken into account.

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06-16-2014, 02:29 PM
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the rule says that the defending player is not behind in the race to the end-zone faceoff dots in his defensive zone.

The problem is the speed of the players. A guy could be going full speed and the other guy going half that guy's speed, but the guy who reaches the dot first gets the call. Sometimes they can get there at the same time and the ref still calls in favor of the defender.

The offensive player should get the benefit of the tie, not the defender. We want less stoppages.

Of course one issue is also the location of the puck. If the puck is swinging around the boards away from the players the inside player should get the benefit since he would have gotten to the puck first.


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06-16-2014, 03:07 PM
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The rule is fine, just give the linesmen (ref's do NOT call icings) another year to get used to it. I didn't see too many blunders. Remember that 'ties' go to the defending team. The linesmen do a great job, imo.

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06-17-2014, 02:36 PM
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I like seeing players not get crushed anymore. I like how it speeds up he the call.

I voted refine because i think sometimes the refs get it wrong and its kinda ******. Anything that is really close with two players going neck and neck should be waved to first person to touch the puck.

If somone doesnt clearly cross the line in front of the offending team it goes to the puck. If the team that iced the puck gets their first its live. If the team trying to get the icing gets there first it is a dead play and the puck goes back to the other end.

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the rule says that the defending player is not behind in the race to the end-zone faceoff dots in his defensive zone.

The problem is the speed of the players. A guy could be going full speed and the other guy going half that guy's speed, but the guy who reaches the dot first gets the call. Sometimes they can get there at the same time and the ref still calls in favor of the defender.

The offensive player should get the benefit of the tie, not the defender. We want less stoppages.

Of course one issue is also the location of the puck. If the puck is swinging around the boards away from the players the inside player should get the benefit since he would have gotten to the puck first.

100% on ties not going to defender and location of the puck.

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06-17-2014, 06:58 PM
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i still think they can use technology to solve a lot of issues. much like how they use it for line calls in tennis and now this year in the world cup, they should have technology for instantly determining these calls as well as goals. we say chips in pucks back in 1996. sans comet trails, chips could give us accurate information about offsides, icings, and goals. perhaps it could help get us back to just 3 officials on the ice as well. better officiating but perhaps lower quality of officials.

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100% on ties not going to defender and location of the puck.
I may be wrong, but I could have sworn that the rule was originally written so that ties went to the offensive player, but for some reason I have mostly seen refs rule in favor of the defensive player.

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I may be wrong, but I could have sworn that the rule was originally written so that ties went to the offensive player, but for some reason I have mostly seen refs rule in favor of the defensive player.
Additionally when the linesman realized they were wrong they were supposed to play it at center ice yet after the beginning of the season they completely stopped doing that. I did not see that called one time in the playoffs.

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Hybrid icing blows.

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I may be wrong, but I could have sworn that the rule was originally written so that ties went to the offensive player, but for some reason I have mostly seen refs rule in favor of the defensive player.
I don't know of the offical writing of the rules but it always favors the defending player and i would rather ties go to who gets the puck first. If its close in anyway the defending player should have to get the puck to get the icing.

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