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06-15-2014, 09:16 PM
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Staal for ROR is a lot better idea IMO than Staal for Spezza. I don't know if I'd call O'Reilly all that gritty. Did he even take a penalty last year?--but he's skilled--strong and defensively he's a smart player. He's also early 20's. I think he has a big cap hit though.

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I thought Colorado would have locked him up for years. Going to arbitration pretty much means he's going to be traded. It would appear that one side isn't willing to commit long term to the other. There seems to be some damage done there.
It doesn't mean that at all. Colorado hasn't even begun contract discussions w/ ROR yet. It's just a paper move.

By electing for team-initiated arbitration, it means ROR can only be offer sheeted between July 1st and 5th. Colorado has until late July to get him signed, and if they don't, ROR will choose either a 1 or 2 year deal.

This is a different management team than the last time w/ ROR (it was Greg Sherman's camp). Because of Feaster's offersheet, Colorado would of had to qualify him at 6.5. Now they might get that same automatic year for a little less (just as long as they don't drag him through the mud, and we haven't seen that angle from the new management in Colorado).

Colorado needs to figure out what's happening w/ Stasny before finalizing their plan w/ ROR, don't read too much into this small move.

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06-15-2014, 09:26 PM
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we were also almost out in the first round and a hair away from being embarrassed in the 2nd round. so tweaking to get back to the finals is easier said then done...getting back to the finals won't be easy

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06-15-2014, 09:30 PM
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There are many pieces up in the air. If we amnesty BR (please let this be a given), and can bring back most of the pieces (Kreider- who should get more than a bridge, Zucc, Brass, Pou, Boyler, D. Moore, Stralsy), get rid of Dorse for salary reasons, maybe we should go after pieces to win right now (eg Jumbo Joe) instead of the move that will help more in the future but less impact now (ROR). I know bringing back the pieces I mentioned is probably unrealistic. Damn, how I wish we budged a little while negotiating w Stralman during the season.

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06-15-2014, 09:58 PM
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Need #1C production from somewhere, whether thats a trade for ROR, Thornton, Spezza, etc or signing Stastny.

Nash needs to score goals.

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I think it will be extremely difficult to return to the finals next year.

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I think it will be extremely difficult to return to the finals next year.
It's always difficult to get to the Stanley Cup Final. Even stacked teams can get tripped up.

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06-15-2014, 10:08 PM
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I think it will be extremely difficult to return to the finals next year.
The playoff format helps the Rangers as long as they get a top 3 seed, and stay in the metro bracket.

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06-15-2014, 10:22 PM
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I think it will be extremely difficult to return to the finals next year.
No guarantee, but I think we can get back there next year with the right additions and re-signings.

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06-15-2014, 10:26 PM
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I prefer Stastny to O'reilly.

Stastny has been better in playoffs lately and that's what we need. He can score and pass and is a very smart player. He is also more physical and we need that at Center.

Also, we may just be able to get him for cheaper as well...he is a UFA to be so maybe we can trade for his rights.

I would send Colorado Klein for rights to Stastny. Then try to sign him for around $5 to $5.5.

I would then trade Stepan for a D who can play the PP.

We have to buy out Richards of course.

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06-15-2014, 10:31 PM
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I prefer Stastny to O'reilly.

Stastny has been better in playoffs lately and that's what we need. He can score and pass and is a very smart player. He is also more physical and we need that at Center.

Also, we may just be able to get him for cheaper as well...he is a UFA to be so maybe we can trade for his rights.

I would send Colorado Klein for rights to Stastny. Then try to sign him for around $5 to $5.5.

I would then trade Stepan for a D who can play the PP.

We have to buy out Richards of course.
O'reilly is like 5-6 years younger with more potential at this point than Stastny.

Btw, we're not going to get Stastny on a 5-5.5 mil cap hit.

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06-15-2014, 10:32 PM
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I prefer Stastny to O'reilly.

Stastny has been better in playoffs lately and that's what we need. He can score and pass and is a very smart player. He is also more physical and we need that at Center.

Also, we may just be able to get him for cheaper as well...he is a UFA to be so maybe we can trade for his rights.

I would send Colorado Klein for rights to Stastny. Then try to sign him for around $5 to $5.5.

I would then trade Stepan for a D who can play the PP.

We have to buy out Richards of course.
I don't see why we'd give up a RHD on a cap friendly contract for rights, nor why Stastny would sign for 5.5. He'll probably get 7 on the market. And trading away our top C is not a step in the right direction.

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I prefer Stastny to O'reilly.

Stastny has been better in playoffs lately and that's what we need. He can score and pass and is a very smart player. He is also more physical and we need that at Center.

Also, we may just be able to get him for cheaper as well...he is a UFA to be so maybe we can trade for his rights.

I would send Colorado Klein for rights to Stastny. Then try to sign him for around $5 to $5.5.

I would then trade Stepan for a D who can play the PP.

We have to buy out Richards of course.
Yeah because trading away a 23 year old #2 center with the potential to be a 1st liner makes complete sense. Stepan is also one of the best defensive forwards we have.

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I prefer Stastny to O'reilly.

Stastny has been better in playoffs lately and that's what we need. He can score and pass and is a very smart player. He is also more physical and we need that at Center.

Also, we may just be able to get him for cheaper as well...he is a UFA to be so maybe we can trade for his rights.

I would send Colorado Klein for rights to Stastny. Then try to sign him for around $5 to $5.5.

I would then trade Stepan for a D who can play the PP.

We have to buy out Richards of course.
Sorry, but that's dumb. Stastny's going to command a $7 million+ cap hit. And there's no way we deal Stepan. The point is to add another guy of his caliber or higher so we have real center depth, not to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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06-16-2014, 04:19 AM
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Good thing we've got a shorter off-season.


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Notice I say Tweaks not Blow up the team.

Truth is we lost in the finals to a great team.

3 OTs = you are a hair away.

We need more finish, but again the chances were there, and so were the posts.

Many times a team needs to grow through defeat in the finals to take the next step.

Lets Go Rangers!
Its 16 june today. The players will take a couple of weeks off. Some if not most will need around an additional two weeks on top of that to heal up. Our guys won't have much of an off-season.

Two players that I get pretty good insight in summer time are Hags and Zucc (twitter, local media here in Scandinavia and so forth), I know both worked out real hard last summer. That showed this season. We had the OGs too.

Will our team be in good enough shape to make another run next season? I doubt it. Both Chi and Bos definitely were held back this season, so will our team next season. Playing in June has definitely taken a toll on all teams lately.

I think we learned a lot this season. I also think we took a bit of a toll mentally loosing -- 3 -- OTs in the finals. That must be extremely tough on our players, but we also learned a lot. That will be valuble going forward. MSL is going to go downhill, but I think its more reasonable to expect us to go for it again in 15/16, it must be a real stretch to expect us to challenge against in 14/15...

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If by tweaks u mean a legit #1 center and a puck moving right handed D, with a howitzer shot then yes tweaks.

Sort of like the Wright Bros needed to "tweak" their design to break the sound barrier.

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this is the tough part about this business. Tweaks to this Rangers team may have seen them beat LA in the Finals, but that assumes everything else plays out the same way. Further, what do other teams do? The biggest hole in the Rangers' arsenal was a big-time scorer; not a 40 goal scorer, but someone to score that OT or late goal. The forwards did not seem to be buzzing around the net, getting to the loose pucks and not getting the rebounds that seemed to always go where there weren't Rangers, but at the other end always seemed to end up on the stick of a Kings player. Further, the PP needs fixing. The Rangers need to find a point guy. Other than that, not much else is needed. Would like AV to take a look at the tape and see some of the adjustments, especially to lines, Sutter made during games and how that affected the games and how AV did not do much of that. But again, the margin of error is so slim in this league that it's difficult to talk about tweaks.

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We're in a position where, due to cap concerns, we really need to get big contributions from our young players. Guys like Miller, Fast, Lindberg, etc. need to come in and make a difference. Think about how important Pearson and Toffoli were to LA's cup. I would dare say that they don't win a cup without those two players comprising 2/3 of LA's 2nd line.

Buyout Richards. If there's a move to be made with Staal for a 1C, you pull the trigger every day of the week. Keep our 4th line together, if the price isn't outrageous. Otherwise, we really need our farm to pay off if we expect to go any further than we did this season.

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The playoff format helps the Rangers as long as they get a top 3 seed, and stay in the metro bracket.
I wouldn't count on that. First of all, I wouldn't be so certain that the Penguins will continue to underachieve in the playoffs. They have a new GM who might make some moves. They'll have a new coach in place. By next year, they might look like a completely different team.

CBJ is up and coming. If Philly addresses their mobility on D, they're no cakewalk. The Islanders underachieved this year and should get more stable goaltending next season. The Hurricanes and Capitals are going to have an all new look. Every one of the final 4 Eastern teams two years ago is in our division, which was considered the strongest in hockey. I wouldn't be so confident about a repeat of the division being underwhelming.

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06-16-2014, 09:16 AM
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Interesting subject as I've wondered about how this team improves, as well.

The biggest thing is this team is going to need more from Zuccarello, Kreider, Stepan, Nash, Hagelin and Brassard.

I don't see a lot of moves that can be made. The Rangers don't have a lot to give assuming they're not going to deal the likes of Kreider, Hagelin, McDonagh, Zuccarello or Stepan.

They don't have first round picks to deal. I don't see either prospects who are knocking on the door (personally, I need to see more from Fast, Lindberg and Miller). And I don't see prospects that teams would be anything more than throw-ins to trades.

And they likely won't have a ton of cap space with the RFAs due new contracts (and raises).

If they look to deal either Staal or Giraridi, they likely create a whole without a logical heir apparent in-house.

So what's my point: the best chance to get better is for the current crop of players to improve their production.

Certainly should make for an interesting offseason.

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Interesting subject as I've wondered about how this team improves, as well.

The biggest thing is this team is going to need more from Zuccarello, Kreider, Stepan, Nash, Hagelin and Brassard.

I don't see a lot of moves that can be made. The Rangers don't have a lot to give assuming they're not going to deal the likes of Kreider, Hagelin, McDonagh, Zuccarello or Stepan.

They don't have first round picks to deal. I don't see either prospects who are knocking on the door (personally, I need to see more from Fast, Lindberg and Miller). And I don't see prospects that teams would be anything more than throw-ins to trades.

And they likely won't have a ton of cap space with the RFAs due new contracts (and raises).

If they look to deal either Staal or Giraridi, they likely create a whole without a logical heir apparent in-house.

So what's my point: the best chance to get better is for the current crop of players to improve their production.

Certainly should make for an interesting offseason.
looks bleak, Singn'! But, it's all the truth. They will have to rely a lot on improving players currently on the roster, and it's not unrealistic to think Kreider, Stepan, McDonough, Staal (if not dealt), etc. cannot be better. But there is not much room to work with, and that's just to getting the basics signed, and includes buying out Richards, which, believe it or not, does create a hole. Guess that all goes back to your point about the timing of bringing in MSL, but I'm sure that topic will come up soon enough.

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IMO since there are cap concerns, Rangers do need to get bigger contributions from their younger players. Guys like Kreider need to continue to become an even greater force. Really impressed with Kreider throughout the season.

Need to keep the 4th line together buyout Richards. Agree that if there's a move to be made with Staal for a 1C you make it.

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looks bleak, Singn'! But, it's all the truth. They will have to rely a lot on improving players currently on the roster, and it's not unrealistic to think Kreider, Stepan, McDonough, Staal (if not dealt), etc. cannot be better. But there is not much room to work with, and that's just to getting the basics signed, and includes buying out Richards, which, believe it or not, does create a hole. Guess that all goes back to your point about the timing of bringing in MSL, but I'm sure that topic will come up soon enough.
Not really trying to be bleak, but there are definite concerns that this surprising and fun run masked. I really don't want to re-hash MSL, but I really am dreading going 3 drafts without a first round pick (at least as things stand).

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It's going to be really difficult to maintain our strengths while simultaneously upgrading the roster.

The Rangers aren't really in a position to make a big free agent splash nor can they afford to make a trade where they have to give up multiple assets a la Nash. They really have to hope that Nash bounces back, players like Kreider and Stepan continue to improve, and that some of our prospects such as Miller, Fast, McIlrath, and Allen are ready to make meaningful contributions at the NHL level.

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