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06-14-2014, 01:41 PM
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Plus none of the **** in that post is even true.
I think if you study it out you'll find that they all trippled. I assume trippled is some sort of archaic way to say went down.

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06-14-2014, 01:55 PM
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I think if you study it out
That expression makes me laugh every time I read it.



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Because the National Guard were the ones who shot the students, so that makes it ok...apparently.
Better question is why doesn't anybody reference Jackson State? About the same time as Kent State.

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I think this is an appropriate response to the cynical attempt to discount these shootings:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annett...b_5489805.html
Very well stated. To CNN a "school shooting" means a bunch of kids dressed like characters from the Matrix loaded with guns, because that's the kind of thing that plays to their ADD-afflicted audience.

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To be fair, isn't gang violence a quite different kind of gun violence than the insane gunman kind of school or mall shooting? For one thing, the motivations for the violence are completely different, so that alone means that they should be examined and interpreted separately.

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Somewhat. But that is only useful if you want to sort out which is potentially due to mental illness and which is due to lack of economic opportunity. What they have in common is a gun being discharged at a school injuring or killing other students.

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To be fair, isn't gang violence a quite different kind of gun violence than the insane gunman kind of school or mall shooting? For one thing, the motivations for the violence are completely different, so that alone means that they should be examined and interpreted separately.
Lack of economic opportunity kind of leads to social mental illness.


Think we also blame the victims in gang and urban school shootings- like they must be partially responsible because they"choose" to live in dangerous neighborhoods and "refuse" to make them safer.


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To be fair, isn't gang violence a quite different kind of gun violence than the insane gunman kind of school or mall shooting? For one thing, the motivations for the violence are completely different, so that alone means that they should be examined and interpreted separately.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. I look at it as "I should be able to send my kid to school without my kid getting SHOT." Whether it's some jagoff in a trench coat or a gang member is pretty much irrelevant when your kid doesn't have a safe environment to learn in.

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Depends on how you look at it I guess. I look at it as "I should be able to send my kid to school without my kid getting SHOT." Whether it's some jagoff in a trench coat or a gang member is pretty much irrelevant when your kid doesn't have a safe environment to learn in.
I can't this this any harder than this.

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I guess I look at it differently though. There are many diseases that kill, but just because they all kill it doesn't mean the diagnosis and by extension the prescription should be the same.

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Wat?

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I guess I look at it differently though. There are many diseases that kill, but just because they all kill it doesn't mean the diagnosis and by extension the prescription should be the same.
Right. But the best way to cure a disease is a holistic approach. Which is why, in addition to medicine and/or surgery, doctors recommend bed rest, plenty of fluids, things to reduce stress, a healthy diet, etc.

Addressing our gun violence problem should take the same approach. We should address the factors that lead to gun violence (poverty, lack of education, mental illness, etc.) and the symptoms themselves (the actual shooting).

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