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Kypreos: TOR shopping Phaneuf to the West - Part II

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06-16-2014, 09:33 PM
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Really . Lets assume the asking price is true . We have TML fans asking for the 3rd over all pick from the Oilers .

Phaneuf at 7x7< then Markov 6x3 and LD,Reinhart,Bennett .

If both were UFA Phaneuf has slightly more value on a longer contract .

Only TML fans would compare a player you can get for no asset to one they want an arm and a leg for while being over paid by 750,000 for 7 years . By the end of that contract even with the cap increasing he will probably be over paid by millions .
Phaneufs contract runs from 29-35

Markov would go from 35-38

Which will get more value for you?

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On Defense your absolutely right.


Between Bogosian, Trouba, Enstrom, Byfuglien(If he's playing Defense), and Stuart they dont need any help at all.

Actually, its possible within a year or two Phaneuf would actually be the #5 Dman on that team. He'd already be #3 at best behind Byfuglien and Enstrom.


Personally, I'd even take Trouba right now over Phaneuf. Trouba is that good(Btw Rielly is not).
This is pure comedy gold. In the past month HFBoards has downgraded Phaneuf from

#1D -> Top 2 D -> Top 4 D -> #5 D on a lottery team. By the time the draft rolls around his supposed value will probably be down to ECHL washout.

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Dion on Anaheim would be a beast. I could honestly see him putting up 60 points and playing elite defensive hockey paired with Fowler.

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Dion on Anaheim would be a beast. I could honestly see him putting up 60 points and playing elite defensive hockey paired with Fowler.
60 points and elite defensively?
In last 5 seasons he have scored more than 40 points only once. The only time he reached 60 was when he had easier minutes IIRC and it was in 07/08. Playing top minutes with Fowler i doubt would higher his point totals suddenly not to mention being also ''elite'' defensively.

He is a decent defenseman but a lot depends on the price (as the Ducks would preferably look for RH defenseman or one who can play decntly on the right side). We would be more interested in trading our assets for someone else first.

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60 points and elite defensively?
In last 5 seasons he have scored more than 40 points only once. The only time he reached 60 was when he had easier minutes IIRC and it was in 07/08. Playing top minutes with Fowler i doubt would higher his point totals suddenly not to mention being also ''elite'' defensively.

He is a decent defenseman but a lot depends on the price (as the Ducks would preferably look for RH defenseman or one who can play decntly on the right side). We would be more interested in trading our assets for someone else first.
Ok, maybe 60 points was a bit of a stretch, but it's not unimaginable. If he does play in Anaheim, he'll have MUCH easier minutes and a lot more offensive zone starts. IIRC, his offensive zone starts was less than 40% last season! Phaneuf doesn't get a lot of o-zone time since he's relied on so heavily defensively. If he goes to Anaheim, he'll get A LOT more starts in the offensive zone, leading to big increase in points.

For most of last season, he did indeed play elite defensively. It was only during the end that he slipped a bit.

and btw Phaneuf does play on the right side.

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06-17-2014, 06:01 AM
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Dion would go to Anaheim and play lights out in that lineup.

Then we'd look like idiots for trading him.

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Why would he have a lot more offensive starts and easier minutes and why he`d play lights out?

If he`d play with Fowler he`d get the toughest minutes. He`d still be a nice addition to us but we have enough LH`s already and his price would be too big for what we need imo

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Why would he have a lot more offensive starts and easier minutes and why he`d play lights out?

If he`d play with Fowler he`d get the toughest minutes. He`d still be a nice addition to us but we have enough LH`s already and his price would be too big for what we need imo
Because a team like Anaheim is deep enough on the blue line that they could play Dion around 22 minutes a night and not 28 minutes. In a good system he could play on the top pairing against the opponents best forwards and a solid third pairing could relieve some minutes.

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Dion's on one of the worst contracts today. So many times I'd check the Leafs board after games to find the overwhelming number of Leafs fans wanting to get rid of Phaneuf for anything.
Lets be fair, after every loss, every fanbase looks for a scapegoat. It's so easy to pick out 1 mistake rather than see the many good plays a player makes throughout a game. Leaf fans make comments about how bad of a captain he is when the team blows a third period lead with 10 minutes to go. What can he do when forwards or other Dmen screw up? Phaneuf logs 25+ minutes a night....but hey, lets hang everything on him.

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Lets be fair, after every loss, every fanbase looks for a scapegoat. It's so easy to pick out 1 mistake rather than see the many good plays a player makes throughout a game. Leaf fans make comments about how bad of a captain he is when the team blows a third period lead with 10 minutes to go. What can he do when forwards or other Dmen screw up? Phaneuf logs 25+ minutes a night....but hey, lets hang everything on him.
Nah, our scapegoat should be most of our team team except for a few select players and the goalies... because most of our team couldn't play defense for squat. Phaneuf and Gunnarsson (and Gleason when he came) were the only ones capable of playing defense. While Phaneuf is pretty good and Gunnarsson is solid, they shouldn't be relied upon to face an constant offensive attack like they always did. Maybe some defensive pairings would have done better, but almost every single one would look a lot worse than they actually are if the forwards didn't know how to break out of the defensive zone.

That being said, I think we should look at trading one of Gardiner, Phaneuf or Rielly. They all just won't fit on our team long term. Personally, I'd go look for an option with Phaneuf before moving on to Gardiner. Keep Rielly long term.

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Because a team like Anaheim is deep enough on the blue line that they could play Dion around 22 minutes a night and not 28 minutes. In a good system he could play on the top pairing against the opponents best forwards and a solid third pairing could relieve some minutes.
Let's not get carried away with the myth about Phaneuf's ice time. He doesn't play 28 minutes a night. This past season, he averaged 23:33.

He could use a little less ice time and a lot more help out there, there's no doubt about that. 20-21 minutes a night would be good.

The Leafs won't be trading Phaneuf......they'll be looking for a minutes eating D-Man to help him.

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