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06-17-2014, 08:24 AM
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The only people saying that are on this board. He's never actually said anything like I'll take more years for under market salary
The quotes in the post article seem to prioritize term:

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The only thing in my mind really is security for me and my family, Stralman said. Weve been moving a lot four teams in seven years. All were really looking for is stability, to stay in one place. This is obviously where we want. Id like to stay. I hope it can happen. Well see.

http://nypost.com/2014/06/16/brian-b...may-be-goners/
If term is the key point, then this should get done. I'd happily give him four or five years.

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06-17-2014, 08:27 AM
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The quotes in the post article seem to prioritize term:

If term is the key point, then this should get done. I'd happily give him four or five years.
Hope you're right, but if he's like most pro athletes he's not going to be giving much of any discount for those years

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06-17-2014, 08:56 AM
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rangers are gonna have to tack on years to get cap hits down.

6 years at 3.75mil per? 7 years? might have to do it to make things work. sacrifice term for dollars.

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If term is the key point, then this should get done. I'd happily give him four or five years.
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The only people saying that are on this board. He's never actually said anything like I'll take more years for under market salary
See the above post. I said if Stralman is willing to take a little less salary in exchange for term. We know from the above and other quotes that Stralman wants term and the stability it brings for his family. Is it really that huge a jump to think he might be willing to exchange term for salary concessions?

Stralman wants term. He doesn't want to keep moving his family. He's been in NY for 3 years. It's conceivable that he would take less to not have to move again for the next 4 or 5 years.

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06-17-2014, 09:50 AM
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If you could get Stralman signed anywhere close to 3.5m, I'd not hesitate to give him six years. I trust his playstyle into his mid 30's much more than I do Girardi's.

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06-17-2014, 09:58 AM
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I don't understand this idea that higher term means less dollars.

He can get 4.5-5M for 4-5 years on the open market, easily.

Signing him for 6 or 7 for less doesn't make sense for him. He'll be 31-32 and hitting the open market again with a chance to make even more $, depending on his performance. Signing for those 2 extra years means his next contract will likely be less than it would be and he'll overall make less on this contract. It's not gonna happen IMO.

I don't understand why the higher term automatically = less cap hit. That may be true in some cases, but Stralman will be coveted. He's a top 4 RHD and that's not an easy thing to find.

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06-17-2014, 10:00 AM
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See the above post. I said if Stralman is willing to take a little less salary in exchange for term. We know from the above and other quotes that Stralman wants term and the stability it brings for his family. Is it really that huge a jump to think he might be willing to exchange term for salary concessions?

Stralman wants term. He doesn't want to keep moving his family. He's been in NY for 3 years. It's conceivable that he would take less to not have to move again for the next 4 or 5 years.
He also wants $. He's been waived and underappreciated his entire career. He will be coveted. Just because he wants term doesn't mean he doesn't want $ and can't get term and $.

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06-17-2014, 10:03 AM
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If you could get Stralman signed anywhere close to 3.5m, I'd not hesitate to give him six years. I trust his playstyle into his mid 30's much more than I do Girardi's.
As long as you are not expecting him to be playing Girardi minutes (meaning trading Girardi and elevating Stralman), i agree.

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06-17-2014, 10:03 AM
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I wouldn't give him more than $4M per year.

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06-17-2014, 10:08 AM
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I don't understand this idea that higher term means less dollars.

He can get 4.5-5M for 4-5 years on the open market, easily.

Signing him for 6 or 7 for less doesn't make sense for him. He'll be 31-32 and hitting the open market again with a chance to make even more $, depending on his performance. Signing for those 2 extra years means his next contract will likely be less than it would be and he'll overall make less on this contract. It's not gonna happen IMO.

I don't understand why the higher term automatically = less cap hit. That may be true in some cases, but Stralman will be coveted. He's a top 4 RHD and that's not an easy thing to find.
Agreed,

Looking at what even any semi solid UFA defender gets, which is already more than most think they will, then add in his age and his performance these past couple years and he is going to get paid.

Also agree about the contract length, however there are times the player will take the greater guaranteed money in a contract even if it leaves them with less possible future career earnings on the next contract, as it's guaranteed, guards against injury and down years in contract years.

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And take away our fastest guy in Hagelin who made things happen all season and in the playoffs.
You have to give to get. This team has enough smaller, faster players. I am not stating to give him away. But he can be used as a chip in exchange with a team that is looking to trade some size for some more speed.
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There maybe a situation where Stalzy and Boyle walks and Staal is traded.
For the sake of the team, Sather must not be allowed to have that happen. Staal must be returned.
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Yes tough decsions have to be made, but wasn't Kessel holding out, or wanted to est FA?
Both Sequin and Kessel were moved to make the team better. Both were tough decisions. Both decisions were not loved by the fans, but both trades benefited the B's.
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I don't think breaking up the most consistent line in Zucc, Brass and Poo is the way to go. Poo and Moore are going to cost the least and give the same if not better performance next season. I think 2 year deals for each one at reasonable raises will get it done.
Hagelin, Brassard, St. Louis, Moore, Zucc. What do all of those players have in common? As a collective, this team needs to change. They cannot be a collection of mighty mites.

As for Pouilliot, he performed exactly the way that has for most of his career. He is a 3rd line player. I came around to his performance and even to resigning him to an affordable 3rd line salary. And then he took 10 offensive zone penalties in the playoffs. I can do without him.
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2 years $3 million for Moore, 2 years $5 million for poo.
You can be entertained and bring back virtually the same exact team. Or the team can evolve and some of the players you are attached to will not be here.

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06-17-2014, 10:11 AM
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I can't blame Boyle much for wanting a shot to be a 3rd line C.
Nor I. And the vehemence with which some fans are writing him off is dangerous. Many a productive, core bottom-2 line player has been lost over the years that way. And then 3 years are spent trying to replace what was lost.

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Brassard is 6'1" and Moore is 6'0". Hagelin is 5'11". They're not giants, but they aren't small by NHL standards either. I think 6'1" is the average height in the NHL.

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Brassard is 6'1" and Moore is 6'0". Hagelin is 5'11". They're not giants, but they aren't small by NHL standards either. I think 6'1" is the average height in the NHL.
Does either appear to have size?

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No, but what's to say that you need to have a team of 6'4" guys in order to win?

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No, but what's to say that you need to have a team of 6'4" guys in order to win?
In the new NHL, this is the obvious way teams have to be built to be successful. Big AND fast. The Kings are the perfect example of this.

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06-17-2014, 10:24 AM
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Does either appear to have size?
Actually to me Hags look big on he ice.

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People are really looking at this year's playoffs and concluding that the Rangers need more size?

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06-17-2014, 10:38 AM
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In the new NHL, this is the obvious way teams have to be built to be successful. Big AND fast. The Kings are the perfect example of this.
That is rare combo, big guys are slow. You can compliment agility of smaller players with power forwards a la Lucic. How can you draft size? One can only draft height.

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People are really looking at this year's playoffs and concluding that the Rangers need more size?
No Rangers need to re-build, period. The window has closed. Hopefully Lundqvist will be able to wait for his Cup.

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That is rare combo, big guys are slow. You can compliment agility of smaller players with power forwards a la Lucic. How can you draft size? One can only draft height.
You can't ever get taller, but you can always get bigger.

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No, but what's to say that you need to have a team of 6'4" guys in order to win?
Not trying to be a jerk here, but if there was ever a statement that defined missing the obvious it's the one above.

Brown, Richards and Voynov are the only players on the LA roster under 6-1.

Justin Williams is the sole forward listed below 195lbs, Voynov on the D.

The Kings had 9 players listed at 6-2 or better that played in the SCF.

The Kings have it all: size, speed, skill, snarl. And they have it in depth. They did to the Rangers what the Rangers had done to others. Just flat wore them down.

The Rangers had absolutely nothing left to push the Kings back. They gave up lead after lead, committed numerous turn overs, allowed countless odd man rushes. It goes on and on and it all happens for a reason.

It's called being outclassed. You never saw a King team that was anything less than completely confident of it's ability to exert it's will over the Rangers. The Kings were never scared or worried by the Rangers.

As good as our team was, as proud as I am of them, this series really shakes out how far they still have to go.

This team needs to be bigger, faster, meaner and more skillful. I have no idea how they will do it but they need to start.

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You can't ever get taller, but you can always get bigger.
True, but only by trade. No one knows if that frame will be filled over time.

There is another aspect there... Nash is what we need, right? Big and Fast. Or Lindros may be? Do you see the link? Power Forwards are concussion prone, that's the link... Is Crosby what he could be? No. How many Kings had concussion in the past? May be that is the way to go??

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You have to give to get. This team has enough smaller, faster players. I am not stating to give him away. But he can be used as a chip in exchange with a team that is looking to trade some size for some more speed.

For the sake of the team, Sather must not be allowed to have that happen. Staal must be returned.

Both Sequin and Kessel were moved to make the team better. Both were tough decisions. Both decisions were not loved by the fans, but both trades benefited the B's.

Hagelin, Brassard, St. Louis, Moore, Zucc. What do all of those players have in common? As a collective, this team needs to change. They cannot be a collection of mighty mites.

As for Pouilliot, he performed exactly the way that has for most of his career. He is a 3rd line player. I came around to his performance and even to resigning him to an affordable 3rd line salary. And then he took 10 offensive zone penalties in the playoffs. I can do without him.

You can be entertained and bring back virtually the same exact team. Or the team can evolve and some of the players you are attached to will not be here.

You keep brining up Seguin and how the Bruins traded him to make the team better. The Bruins made the final last year with Seguin AND got knocked out in the 2nd round this year. Did the make the team better? Please explain....Just remember how many times you *****ed about results of the team. How many times you went off about playoff success vs regular season success. You claimed that the St Louis trade was not going to be a success based on what you assumed the results the team would have this year. Remember, the trade is only a success if the team wins the Stanley Cup. So using your barometer for trade success please explain how the Seguin trade is a success. Is a 2nd round playoff exit a success?


Also,

Derick Brassard 6' 1" 202

Carl Hagelin 5' 11"

Dominic Moore 6' 0" 192

In what universe are those players "mighty mites"?

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So Boyle wants a bigger role than 4th line pker. He's gone folks .

I don't want them to overpay for 4th liners. Let someone else and show confidence in others to take those responsibilities

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