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06-17-2014, 03:44 PM
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Future franchise, elite Dman for a 50-60 ppg forward? No. Marty Erat was a 50 ppg forward for the Preds. No way I trade Erat for Jones. Nor would I trade Couture for Jones. After his rookie season and WC tourney, nothing Jones has done dispells the projection that he'll attain Weber-like status in a few years. He's only 19 and playing much older and more experienced than his peers.
Couture is more than a 50-60 ppg forward. I'd love to have him, but trading Josi/Jones for him would just open another huge hole on our team.

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Logan Couture for Seth Jones?
Huh. I didn't realize Couture is already 25. I'd still probably do that, though I would prefer someone closer to Jones' age.

At some point someone needs to be traded from the backend. Having 3 #1 defensemen without any #1 forwards to complement them would be a waste. I'd probably wait a year or 2 though.

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Couture is more than a 50-60 ppg forward. I'd love to have him, but trading Josi/Jones for him would just open another huge hole on our team.
Our defense seemed to handle rather well in the brief time Jones was injured. The hole trading Jones would leave is definitely not as important as the good Couture would bring to our offense.

Other than 2010 Chicago has there been a team in the last decade that won the Cup with three #1 defensemen?

Is this + Couture really worse than Jones being on the defense?

Josi - Weber
Del Zotto - Ellis
Ekholm - Bartley

That's a serviceable defense to make a push for a playoff spot. We could probably get a third pairing RHD in FA anyways.

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Yeah, but MDZ seems almost like the exact kind of defenseman for Lavy's system. I think opinions on that matter could change next season.

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So, we're on Spezza's no-no list?

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Future franchise, elite Dman for a 50-60 ppg forward? No. Marty Erat was a 50 ppg forward for the Preds. No way I trade Erat for Jones. Nor would I trade Couture for Jones. After his rookie season and WC tourney, nothing Jones has done dispells the projection that he'll attain Weber-like status in a few years. He's only 19 and playing much older and more experienced than his peers.
Saying no is fine but it's pretty ignorant to call couture a 50-60 point forward and compare him to Martin Erat when he has scored 65, 63 (pro-rated), and 68 points in the past 3 years, while Erat never scored that much, even though Erat's prime years were in a higher scoring era, Couture faces tougher competition, and also holds more defensive responsibilities than Erat ever did. He has 70 point potential quite easily seeing as he almost did it despite a freakishly low shooting percentage compared to his career average and is still only 25.

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06-18-2014, 09:30 AM
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Good. Better to know now that he has no interest in being here. Trading assets for a guy who would leave after one year would be stupid for this team.

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06-18-2014, 09:32 AM
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Saying no is fine but it's pretty ignorant to call couture a 50-60 point forward and compare him to Martin Erat when he has scored 65, 63 (pro-rated), and 68 points in the past 3 years, while Erat never scored that much, even though Erat's prime years were in a higher scoring era, Couture faces tougher competition, and also holds more defensive responsibilities than Erat ever did. He has 70 point potential quite easily seeing as he almost did it despite a freakishly low shooting percentage compared to his career average and is still only 25.
I have to agree. Coture, if signed long term, would be worth Jones.

However, I wouldnt trade Jones and then risk losing Coture in two years. Whats cotures contract status again? and does he have a NTC?

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06-18-2014, 11:57 AM
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Saying no is fine but it's pretty ignorant to call couture a 50-60 point forward and compare him to Martin Erat when he has scored 65, 63 (pro-rated), and 68 points in the past 3 years, while Erat never scored that much, even though Erat's prime years were in a higher scoring era, Couture faces tougher competition, and also holds more defensive responsibilities than Erat ever did. He has 70 point potential quite easily seeing as he almost did it despite a freakishly low shooting percentage compared to his career average and is still only 25.
I didn't pro rate either players numbers. So here are Erat's from 05/06 to 11/12.... 49, 68 (pro rated), 57, 57 (pro rated), 49, 64 (pro rated), and 58. That's an average of 57. Couture's average is 65. That's an 8 point difference. Erat played under Trotz who always emphasizes defensive responsibility. In his prime years Erat played on the Preds top line and faced opponents toughest defenders. I'd guarantee Couture's numbers under Trotz would be lower than they are in San Jose.

I'm not saying that Couture isn't a better player than Erat. I am saying that he isn't that much better than Erat to warrant trading for Jones straight up. And I didn't want Jones at the time of the draft last summer. The Preds need scoring in the worst way. Does Couture project to be one of the 10 best forwards in the league? Jones is projected to be that, probably top 5 at his position.

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06-18-2014, 12:27 PM
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I didn't pro rate either players numbers. So here are Erat's from 05/06 to 11/12.... 49, 68 (pro rated), 57, 57 (pro rated), 49, 64 (pro rated), and 58. That's an average of 57. Couture's average is 65. That's an 8 point difference. Erat played under Trotz who always emphasizes defensive responsibility. In his prime years Erat played on the Preds top line and faced opponents toughest defenders. I'd guarantee Couture's numbers under Trotz would be lower than they are in San Jose.

I'm not saying that Couture isn't a better player than Erat. I am saying that he isn't that much better than Erat to warrant trading for Jones straight up. And I didn't want Jones at the time of the draft last summer. The Preds need scoring in the worst way. Does Couture project to be one of the 10 best forwards in the league? Jones is projected to be that, probably top 5 at his position.
This x10. Except I was happy with drafting Jones.

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So, we're on Spezza's no-no list?
Looks like the list is from July 2013. So Nashville being on his no-trade list does make some sense.

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06-18-2014, 02:23 PM
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Looks like the list is from July 2013. So Nashville being on his no-trade list does make some sense.
surprised he didn't update it. I mean there are some teams that were good then and not now and vice versa. In July 2013 I may have not wanted to go to Colorado but now I probably would. The same could be said for goes for Washington, they were a playoff team and now they are not.

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06-18-2014, 02:34 PM
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surprised he didn't update it. I mean there are some teams that were good then and not now and vice versa. In July 2013 I may have not wanted to go to Colorado but now I probably would. The same could be said for goes for Washington, they were a playoff team and now they are not.
I may be wrong, but it looks like that was the due date to submit his list. If he doesn't get traded before July 1st then he'll probably submit a new list. He can change his mind and accept a trade to a team on the list, but if he gets traded to Buffalo then there's not much he can do. Unless he ends up on a contender, he may have hurt himself more than helped himself.

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06-18-2014, 07:23 PM
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The Preds are doing Bobbleheads next season and they are taking votes on who the players are.

http://predators.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=98786

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The Preds are doing Bobbleheads next season and they are taking votes on who the players are.

http://predators.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=98786
Eaves? I guess they just posted the end of season roster?

I would vote for Clune, but only if they gave him a black eye!

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The Preds are doing Bobbleheads next season and they are taking votes on who the players are.

http://predators.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=98786


I think a vote is going to give us the usual Weber, Rinne, Jones, Fisher, Hornqvist. And one other, I'm guessing Clune or Gnash. Either way, it's about time we get some good giveaways!

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A Clune bobble head absolutely needs to happen.

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A Clune bobble head absolutely needs to happen.
Is Clune still under contract after July 1?

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Oh, I hope not...

EDIT: Capgeek says he's signed through 2016.

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Oh, I hope not...

EDIT: Capgeek says he's signed through 2016.
yikes... looks like he got extended sometime earlier this past season, or maybe even before... one way deal, too.

oh well, someone has to fill the permascratch spot.

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yikes... looks like he got extended sometime earlier this past season, or maybe even before... one way deal, too.

oh well, someone has to fill the permascratch spot.
yeah last summer Poile gave him an extension

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yeah last summer Poile gave him an extension
Not the best disbursement of funds

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How is Clune the problem? He plays his role. If they were touting him as a top-six player, yeah, that would be a problem. But he's fine as a fourth-liner. He needs to keep working on his game and play more disciplined in the defensive end, but he's fine for what he does and it's not like he's breaking the bank.

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