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03-26-2007, 10:42 AM
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http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...4-bdb31974ef6d

This crap just proves that Lowe is hated. Some of the comments is pathetic. It's convenient how one idiot says the Oilers have been an AHL for 7 years. How convenient to use the 7 years Lowe has been GM of calling the Oilers an AHL team those years.

Some comments that really got me angry: The Oilers have been an AHL team for 7 years and Lowe can't draft players. What about the crap that Slats did when he draft Kelly instead of Doan or not drafting players like Iginla, Morris, Sykora, Elias. It's convenient for these idiots to bash Lowe.

Is the reason fans bash Lowe because he took over from Slats? That's the only reason that make sesne. IMO, it wouldn't have mattered who took over from Slats as that person would have been bashed just as much as Lowe is being bashed. This Lowe and Oilers bashing has got to stop.

Disclaimer: This has nothing to do with HF and the posters on here.

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This crap just proves that Lowe is hated. Some of the comments is pathetic. It's convenient how one idiot says the Oilers have been an AHL for 7 years. How convenient to use the 7 years Lowe has been GM of calling the Oilers an AHL team those years.

Some comments that really got me angry: The Oilers have been an AHL team for 7 years and Lowe can't draft players. What about the crap that Slats did when he draft Kelly instead of Doan or not drafting players like Iginla, Morris, Sykora, Elias. It's convenient for these idiots to bash Lowe.

Is the reason fans bash Lowe because he took over from Slats? That's the only reason that make sesne. IMO, it wouldn't have mattered who took over from Slats as that person would have been bashed just as much as Lowe is being bashed. This Lowe and Oilers bashing has got to stop.

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At least it wasn't your typical copy/pasted post.

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when it comes to oilers drafting--that is a bad topic to talk about

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Well if you read his comments about Mac-T, Hemsky and Bergeron, you can tell he knows very little about what he's ranting on. I would say borderline retarded.

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I think this article gauges the feeling of the fans pretty accurately.
Kevin Lowe

+ Pronger last year

+ Peca last year

+ Roloson last year

- Pronger traded too soon and for too little

- Peca didn't re-sign

- Over-estimated Oilers' goal-scoring power as among league's elite

- No farm team to evaluate and direct prospects

- Total duds in Brad Winchester, Patrick Thoresen and Toby Petersen

- Petr Nedved fiasco

- Trading of top-scoring defenceman Marc-Andre Bergeron

- Ryan Smith giveaway (heart and soul of the Oilers)

- Overrating Dwayne Roloson as a goalie

- Where is Robbie Schremp?

Lowe rating: 1.5 out of 10. Get rid of him.
These statements reflect the comments that were being passed around at my working environment. Only now no one really cares to talk about hockey anymore. Three of us girl won't be mini-packing it next year.


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klowe 7 years

top picks 1st and 2nd rounders

2006

Jeff Petry D

2005
25 C Andrew Cogliano
36 D Taylor Chorney

2004

14 G Devan Dubnyk
25 C Rob Schremp
44 D Roman Tesliuk

2003

22 C Marc-Antoine Pouliot
51 R Colin McDonald

2002

15 C Jesse Niinimaki(bust)
31 G Jeff Deslauriers
36 C Jarret Stoll

2001

13 L Ales Hemsky
43 D Doug Lynch

2000
17 F Alexei Mikhnov
(bust)
35 C Brad Winchester

Slats last 7 drafts

199913 L Jani Rita36 D Alexei Semenov41 L Tony Salmelainen

199813 R Michael Henrich67 D Alex Henry99 C Shawn Horcoff

199714 R Michel Riesen41 G Patrick Dovigi68 D Sergei Yerkovich

1996

6 C Boyd Devereaux19 D Matthieu Descoteaux32 D Chris Hajt59 D Tom Poti

1995

6 L Steve Kelly31 L Georges Laraque

1994

4 C Jason Bonsignore6 L Ryan Smyth32 L Mike Watt

1993

7 C Jason Arnott16 D Nick Stajduhar33 R David Vyborny59 L Kevin Paden

1992

13 L Joe Hulbig37 F Martin Reichel61 Simon Roy65 L Kirk Maltby

1991

12 C Tyler Wright20 L Martin Rucinsky34 G Andrew Verner

we should start seeing the production big time from KLOWE's era

sadly

he has a few gib busts on his hands and the only first rounder that is lighting things up is Hemsky

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03-26-2007, 11:19 AM
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But there was no need to call the Oilers an AHL team for the last 7 years. That comment was convenient to bash Lowe. No need to bring up drafting when Slats couldn't draft if his life depended on it. Another crappy comment was that the players that left in the off season had nothing to do with the eastern travel but they left because of Lowe. How convenient as Lowe gets blamed for everything. This crap that was in the journal needs to stop. No wonder the Oilers have trouble attraacting free agents.


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03-26-2007, 11:32 AM
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But there was no need to call the Oilers and AHL team for the last 7 years. That comment was convenient to bash Lowe. No need to bring up drafting when Slats couldn't draft if his life depended on it. Another crappy comment was that the players that left in the off season had nothing to do with the eastern travel but they left because of Lowe. How convenient as Lowe gets blamed for everything. This crap that was in the journal needs to stop. No wonder the Oilers have trouble attraacting free agents.
Not being able to attract free agents is one thing. Looking at the Oilers recent drafting record - and many fans seem to have the blinders on. Draft picks (even middle to late first round ones) rarely turn into impact players like Hemsky.

Just to clarify - take a look at Edmonton's record over the last decade. Constantly fighting for the last playoff spot, eighth in the conference, sixteenth in the league drafting.

If Edmonton drafted 16th each year for the period between 1995 and 2004 (giving the players time to make their respective rosters), and took the player that was eventually taken at that position (generally the BPA, top player drafted by a team that year) - Edmonton would have drafted:

1995 Martin Biron
1996 Mario Larocque
1997 Ty Jones
1998 Eric Chouinard
1999 David Tanabe
2000 Marcel Hossa
2001 RJ Umberger
2002 Jakub Klepis
2003 Steve Bernier
2004 Petteri Nokelainen

In this representative sample of mid-first rounders, how many impact players are in that list? How many busts?

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I think most would agree that Desluariers is a bust.
not too mention I dont even know where Colin McDonald, Doug Lynch and Roman Tesliuk are now days....
Worst move of all for Lowe in drafts was trading down to avoid picking Parise... wow what an oversight.

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I think most would agree that Desluariers is a bust.
not too mention I dont even know where Colin McDonald, Doug Lynch and Roman Tesliuk are now days....
Worst move of all for Lowe in drafts was trading down to avoid picking Parise... wow what an oversight.
I would have said that last year, but he's continued to work and has had a much better season this season. I want to see what he can do at the NHL level before I write him off.

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Wait...I thought the Journal was EIG-friendly?

How did these scathingly negative comments get through the filtration process??




On a serious note, does the simple fact that this kind of reader feedback was even allowed to be printed give an indication that Lowe's job security isn't as ironclad as originally thought?

Interesting to note that the reader feedback put on print largely gives MacT a free pass.

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I think this article gauges the feeling of the fans pretty accurately.
Kevin Lowe

+ Pronger last year

+ Peca last year

+ Roloson last year

- Pronger traded too soon and for too little

- Peca didn't re-sign

- Over-estimated Oilers' goal-scoring power as among league's elite

- No farm team to evaluate and direct prospects

- Total duds in Brad Winchester, Patrick Thoresen and Toby Petersen

- Petr Nedved fiasco

- Trading of top-scoring defenceman Marc-Andre Bergeron

- Ryan Smith giveaway (heart and soul of the Oilers)

- Overrating Dwayne Roloson as a goalie

- Where is Robbie Schremp?

Lowe rating: 1.5 out of 10. Get rid of him.
These statements reflect the comments that were being passed around at my working environment. Only now no one really cares to talk about hockey anymore. Three of us girl won't be mini-packing it next year.
It is funny how when things go bad fans who know nothing about the game come out of the wood work. Smyth has been here 12 years and this guy still cannot spell his name.

Not sure how Rolie is overrated as a goalie, we didn't want Peca to resign, Thoresen will be a good one - trust me, what fiasco was there with Nedved? They never gave anything for him. This fan also stated how they have had an AHL franchise the last 7 years yet they were one game away from the cup last year with guys he so badly wanted resigned.

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I think most would agree that Desluariers is a bust.
not too mention I dont even know where Colin McDonald, Doug Lynch and Roman Tesliuk are now days....
Worst move of all for Lowe in drafts was trading down to avoid picking Parise... wow what an oversight.
Sorry, can't count on me for stating that Desluariers is a bust. Stay tuned on McDonald. As for Lynch, hey he turned into a pretty good asset for us (Pronger) and if he did not wreck his wrist he would have been good for St. Louis as well.

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he has a few gib busts on his hands and the only first rounder that is lighting things up is Hemsky
Yep, 10 goals in 58 games. He's really lighting it up.

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Yep, 10 goals in 58 games. He's really lighting it up.
So, would you consider Hemsky a waste of a draft pick, considering this 13th overall selection has more career points than anyone else in his draft class not named Kovalchuk or Spezza?

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So, would you consider Hemsky a waste of a draft pick, considering this 13th overall selection has more career points than anyone else in his draft class not named Kovalchuk or Spezza?
Not at all.

I just disagree with the statement that he's "lighting things up."

Compared with other Oiler draft picks, Hemsky is an unqualified home-run.

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So, would you consider Hemsky a waste of a draft pick, considering this 13th overall selection has more career points than anyone else in his draft class not named Kovalchuk or Spezza?
Apparently people don't value playmakers very highly around here.

every A = G just as every G = G.

Hemsky's assists are not 2nd assists where he had nothing to do with goal. Usually he does everything but score and the scorer is left with a tap in.

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Not at all.

I just disagree with the statement that he's "lighting things up."

Compared with other Oiler draft picks, Hemsky is an unqualified home-run.
I guess the issue stems in Graveyardshift having a different definition for "lighting it up" than what's in your dictionary.

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I think this article gauges the feeling of the fans pretty accurately..
Well if that gauges the fans feelings pretty accurately then we have some of the most stupid fans in the NHL

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- Pronger traded too soon and for too little
YOu can beat this dead horse over and over - WHO THE HELL IS HE GOING TO GET ? Oh I know Crosby right since someone pulled that trade off in their fantasy hockey league
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- Peca didn't re-sign
EVERYONE knew Peca was not comming back, he said he wanted to go back east because of his family and travel so what the hell was Loe supose to do ? forge Peca's signature to a contract and say he signed it
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- Over-estimated Oilers' goal-scoring power as among league's elite
Wow the benifit of hindsight is such a great thing
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- No farm team to evaluate and direct prospects
All I have to ask is how is this Lowe's fault
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- Total duds in Brad Winchester, Patrick Thoresen and Toby Petersen
Yeah they are duds on the second line but why the hell are they put there in the first place, they are serviceable 4th line players. Oh sorry I forgot that every other team has 30 goal scorers on the 4th line
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- Petr Nedved fiasco
What fiasco we got him for nothing and he did not pan out, who the hell cares
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- Trading of top-scoring defenceman Marc-Andre Bergeron
I would love to know how many of these people bagging Lowe on this wanted Bergeron traded in the first place and called his useless as a D man
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- Ryan Smith giveaway (heart and soul of the Oilers)
Once again Lowe's fault since it appears Smyth played hardball and figured he would never be traded, not to mention the fact that Smyth moved on his demands by how much while Lowe gave him nearly everything he wanted, yeah it is Lowe's fault. as well he was the heart and soul of a team that never did anything he has proven he cannot lead a team on his own.
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- Overrating Dwayne Roloson as a goalie
This is the most stupid comment on the list how the hell did he overrate him as a goalie, he is the ONLY reason we are not last but sorry I forgot he is garbage right, I mean any goalie can have a save % over 0.950 in over 20 of his games
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- Where is Robbie Schremp?
Oh yeah once again Lowe's fault I forgot, why is he not up here is beyond me. I mean a guy who was a healthy scratch in the AHL because of poor play surely can rip th eNHL up and turn around a struggling team right.

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These statements reflect the comments that were being passed around at my working environment. Only now no one really cares to talk about hockey anymore. Three of us girl won't be mini-packing it next year.
The one question that is left is do your co workers actually have a clue about hockey ? As for not etting mini packs good that means more for us that actually are fans and not bandwagoners.


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bleh...bandwagon fans...

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Well, from a totally objective viewpoint, it appears most of what is being said is factual....

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Not Concerned about the Bashing

I am not concerned about the bashing because it is coming from band wagon jumpers. The one post in the article, "he traded Pronger too soon". When a player of that calibre requests and trade it's no secret it puts you at a severe disadvantage. The day we traded Pronger signalled a rebuild. We could'n't attract a free agent and the whole world knew we needed a puck moving d man. Peca wasn't going to resign here anyways because he wanted to go back East to be with his family. I also not sure of the Roloson bashing because he played well this season and didn't get any help in alot of games. Before we critize these moves let's look back in a year and see where the Oiler's are sitting. The AHL is great learning expierence for a player and that's what Shremp needs. Look at Spezza and his year in the AHL and what did for his game.

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