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06-20-2014, 01:42 PM
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Cam Talbot - Starting NHL Goalie?

We saw some really good play out of Cam Talbot this year. I for one was very impressed on how this guy can keep his cool when the ice gets tilted towards him. For a backup he had amazing stats this year. 12-6-1 with 1.64 GAA and .941 SV%.

So here's the question: Do you think this guy has what it takes to take a starting job for another NHL team, or is he a career backup? Obviously the GAA and SV% are unrealistic numbers to keep over the course of a full season, but I for one think this guy could put up some good numbers if given the reins somewhere.

If he did go somewhere else, I'd miss his mask big time though. I think that's one of the best paint jobs in the league.

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I think it's still way too soon to make any sort of accurate prediction about the rest of Talbot's career. He got protected minutes behind the best goalie in the league. Can't make a full evaluation about him until he plays ~30 games in a season, and that will only happen here if Hank gets injured or plays like utter crap.

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Cam is gone as a UFA after next year. Zero chance he stays if he puts up anywhere near the season he did this year.

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He's a career 0.914 goalie in the AHL, so I'm going to say no.

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He's a career 0.914 goalie in the AHL, so I'm going to say no.
An identical stat line to Steve Valiquette

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I think it's still way too soon to make any sort of accurate prediction about the rest of Talbot's career. He got protected minutes behind the best goalie in the league. Can't make a full evaluation about him until he plays ~30 games in a season, and that will only happen here if Hank gets injured or plays like utter crap.
If Talbot is as good this year as last, he may get those minutes. It was a long season for Hank. Won't be bad getting him rest here and there throughout the season if it doesn't affect his rhythm, or it doesn't hurt the team.

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I think he's heavily benefitting from being around Henrik and Benoit Allaire.

He wasn't this good in the AHL. Everything about him is improving just being around these two.

I think he can sign a 2-3 year deal, see the state of the Rangers then, and then weigh his options after. He's got a lot to learn left. Allaire is one of the best goalie mentors.

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He's a career 0.914 goalie in the AHL, so I'm going to say no.
I seem to remember some really great goalie who had a 0.884 in the AHL. I think Martin Brodeur was his name, maybe. Something like that.

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I think he's heavily benefitting from being around Henrik and Benoit Allaire.

He wasn't this good in the AHL. Everything about him is improving just being around these two.

I think he can sign a 2-3 year deal, see the state of the Rangers then, and then weigh his options after. He's got a lot to learn left. Allaire is one of the best goalie mentors.
This. His AHL stats are meaningless, I think we just witnessed the birth of a star, and maybe that wouldn't be the case without Allaire... same for Hank.

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I seem to remember some really great goalie who had a 0.884 in the AHL. I think Martin Brodeur was his name, maybe. Something like that.
In 32 games as a 20 year old, when average save percentages were a lot lower than they are now.

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In 32 games as a 20 year old, when average save percentages were a lot lower than they are now.
A .914 is also a lot better than a .884.

My point is mere stats surfing is a bit stupid when it comes to stuff like this.

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A .914 is also a lot better than a .884.

My point is mere stats surfing is a bit stupid when it comes to stuff like this.
Adjusted for era, not really.

But, you certainly proved how stupid stat surfing can be. However, what Talbot has done on the 3,500 shots faced in his most recent history is very relevant, I think.

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Adjusted for era, not really.

But, you certainly proved how stupid stat surfing can be. However, what Talbot has done on the 3,500 shots faced in his most recent history is very relevant, I think.
And he's also done it on a generally bad team. Talbot can certainly be a mediocre starting goalie. Star? I agree with you -- not a chance.

But to stats surf and say, "Well, this number means no." is just a bit ridiculous.

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And he's also done it on a generally bad team. Talbot can certainly be a mediocre starting goalie. Star? I agree with you -- not a chance.

But to stats surf and say, "Well, this number means no." is just a bit ridiculous.
Two out of three years in the AHL, Hartford had a goalie with a better SV% than him. He'll be 27 before the season starts.

Goalies' career progressions can be weird, so I can't discount it completely, but I'd be very surprised if he's every an NHL starter.

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I don;t see Cam staying with the Rangers. He would be crazy to think going to another team would make him a starting goalie but staying with the Rangers guarantees he is a back up goalie.

I imagine if he ins't moved at the deadline he will test FA or sign a 1 year deal.

If he goes to a team with a struggling goal tender he stands a chance at being the new number 1. Look what happened with the Ducks this year.

Hopefully we can find a team who is in the playoff hunt and took a goalie injury before the deadline and will have to over pay for him.

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I don;t see Cam staying with the Rangers. He would be crazy to think going to another team would make him a starting goalie but staying with the Rangers guarantees he is a back up goalie.

I imagine if he ins't moved at the deadline he will test FA or sign a 1 year deal.

If he goes to a team with a struggling goal tender he stands a chance at being the new number 1. Look what happened with the Ducks this year.

Hopefully we can find a team who is in the playoff hunt and took a goalie injury before the deadline and will have to over pay for him.
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Yes, he can be a kick ass NHL netminder, on strength of an awesome, wicked fast glove. Yes, he does need to learn more, including technique, but he has enough natural talent you almost can't teach.

Unfortunately, he gets to be UFA after this upcoming season.
The one thing that would do it is competing for if not actual starters gig.
Since we are not getting Malkin for Lundqvist, that's not happening.

So while there is a small chance he would temporarily for 1-2 years defer his dream and income potential to get mo minutes + outside cup shot w/us --- assuming after next season we can scrape up $ to pay him increase from just above zip now to 3ish m per , we should groom replacements and deal.

Whether we would get more dealing now or taking chance w/injury, remains to be seen.

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People always forget that the games backup goalies play in are not random. They are games hand picked by the coach and are often against worse competition.


Talbot played in 19 full games this year. In less than half of those games (8 games) he played against playoff teams. Only one of those games was against a top team (Chicago). He played a grand total of 3 games against teams that ended the season with 100 points or more.

Granted, his save % in the 8 games against playoff teams was 0.951 -- even better than his season avg. So there's that incredibly small sample I guess...


Talbot did great this season - better than I think anyone would have expected. And he'll probably do great next season (even if not quite as great). But I don't think you can say he is an NHL starter based on the stats he put up against the teams he played. A lot of bottom dwellers and not a ton of top teams. Would want to see how he plays if given more starts against top teams.

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If he's a starting goalie... he's trade bait.

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He's got to get a chance which may never happen. That's the ****** thing about being a goalie.

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I don't expect Talbot to be traded next season--he's too valuable to the Rangers in his current role. And even if some team wanted him at the deadline, he'd just be a throw in on a larger trade (where a backup goalie would have to come back).

I do expect this coming season to be his last in a Rangers sweater. The organization doesn't have a lot of money to throw at a backup goalie, no matter how good. But, that's OK, Talbot has earned the right to hit the open market and see if he can get signed by a team that will give him a chance to be their #1 goalie.

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If he's a starting goalie... he's trade bait.
That's exactly wat I was thinking let him play more in the beginning of the year and raise his value. It's a win win. Hank gets more rest and we can trade cam at the deadline. If he does bad we can just sign him to back up for even less.. Just can't see where this plan can go wrong

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He benefited from playing in front of one of the best defensive squads in the league. He is good, I do not see him being a top-end starter though

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That's exactly wat I was thinking let him play more in the beginning of the year and raise his value. It's a win win. Hank gets more rest and we can trade cam at the deadline. If he does bad we can just sign him to back up for even less.. Just can't see where this plan can go wrong
What value does a back up goalie (currently with 23 games of NHL experience) who will probably play around 12-16 games by the trade deadline?

And what happens if Lundqvist is ends up missing several games after the deadline (let's assume it's not a season ending injury, just one that takes a couple of weeks to recover from), who's going to step in then and keep the team moving towards the playoffs?

Talbot has more value to the Rangers than anything coming back in a trade. They have a year to find a replacement, if he continues to improve on what he did this season and goes to free agency.

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People saying he's "trade bait" would be REALLY disappointed in the return, if the Rangers decided to trade him, for no reason whatsoever.

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