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06-20-2014, 06:03 PM
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Dont think he has played enough NHL games to judge that properly. Might perhaps be easier to answer after next season. He has been quite impressive in the games he played for us, but its a small sample size, and its difficult to say if he would keep his play up when playing 50+ games a season as opposed to 20'ish.

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06-20-2014, 06:14 PM
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I definitely see him having a future as a #1 goalie in this league.

Unfortunately it won't be with the Rangers. Would've been great if Cam Talbot was 6-7 years younger and was coming into his prime by the time Lundqvist would be retiring.

I think it's a good insurance policy to have should Henke get hurt, but I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him traded during the season to address a need.

I wish him the best. I could see him being one of those guys who has a slightly above average regular season, and then gets hot in the playoffs. He's certainly got the skill, and the natural size (which helps with his style, as it does a lot of goalies these days). If he continues to improve his positioning and technique, I think he'll be in great shape. He's very patient for a young goaltender (although he's not all that young I suppose, but still early in his NHL career)

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06-20-2014, 06:15 PM
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What happened to Talbot?

Just wondering if anyone knew how talbot got an injury, since he didn't seem to get one during that game 5.

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06-20-2014, 06:15 PM
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Just wondering if anyone knew how talbot got an injury, since he didn't seem to get one during that game 5.
Broke his hand in warm ups for 6



“It happened in game in game six in warmups and I just reached back for a shot after one of the drills is over, just getting out of the net and reached back to bat a puck out of the air and went back to the middle of the net and it caught me in the middle of the hand and I broke a bone in my right hand. Not the way I wanted to end the season.”

http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/20...a-broken-hand/

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broke his hand in practice

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06-20-2014, 06:27 PM
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The Rangers are in a bad position with Talbot. His trade value is not very high because he's just had his first season where he has shown that he could potentially be a starting goalie in the NHL. If he was to have similar production next season, the interest would come. At that point though, he would be out of contract with the Rangers.

So he's not good trade bait, and to keep him could be too costly past next season if he proves that this season wasn't a fluke.

Maybe extend his contract to some middle ground between low level NHL starter money and what he is making right now? That way if he plays well again next season, he could be good trade bait and he has the assurance of a bigger pay check even if he shows that this season was a fluke. What is the downside to that for the Rangers?

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06-20-2014, 06:41 PM
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The Rangers are in a bad position with Talbot. His trade value is not very high because he's just had his first season where he has shown that he could potentially be a starting goalie in the NHL. If he was to have similar production next season, the interest would come. At that point though, he would be out of contract with the Rangers.

So he's not good trade bait, and to keep him could be too costly past next season if he proves that this season wasn't a fluke.

Maybe extend his contract to some middle ground between low level NHL starter money and what he is making right now? That way if he plays well again next season, he could be good trade bait and he has the assurance of a bigger pay check even if he shows that this season was a fluke. What is the downside to that for the Rangers?
the downside is if he is a fluke they're stuck w/ that contract.

I don't think you can just dumb bad contracts in the minors anymore.

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06-20-2014, 07:31 PM
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The Rangers are in a bad position with Talbot. His trade value is not very high because he's just had his first season where he has shown that he could potentially be a starting goalie in the NHL. If he was to have similar production next season, the interest would come. At that point though, he would be out of contract with the Rangers.

So he's not good trade bait, and to keep him could be too costly past next season if he proves that this season wasn't a fluke.

Maybe extend his contract to some middle ground between low level NHL starter money and what he is making right now? That way if he plays well again next season, he could be good trade bait and he has the assurance of a bigger pay check even if he shows that this season was a fluke. What is the downside to that for the Rangers?
It's never a bad position to be in to have a cheap, capable backup goalie who can give you a chance to win games every night. Everything else is background noise. It will sort itself out. We have the best goaltending situation in the league (talking about starter and backup, not talking about prospects and pipeline). Look at Quick's backup. We're lucky to have such a capable backup on a cheap contract.

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06-20-2014, 07:46 PM
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Look at Quick's backup.


What about him?

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he was great but he wont be a starter, resign in NY after this yr

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He's a career 0.914 goalie in the AHL, so I'm going to say no.
He was absolutely amazing in the AHL, but the team had the worst defense (F or D) in the league. They would routinely collapse for 8-10 minutes at a time in a way you never see in the NHL. He would also face multiple breakaways and even more 2-on-1 fast breaks each game. Point blank shots from 5-10 feet out were routine.

Skim though my play by play reports of Hartford games when he was there. On multiple occasions I wrote that if I were him, I would not talk to my teammates because they just abandoned him.

Kenny G should've made them skate laps into the next decade as punishment for how they refused to support T-Bone.

Not only that, but he had no reliable backup, so he had to play something like 30-35 games in a row. When he ran out of steam, Missiaen got hot and started a few games, but prior to that, he faced second-most shots in the AHL, and the most scoring chances.

You can't imagine how much easier he has it in the NHL than in Hartford. I predicted it, too. It was obvious that playing behind a competent NHL defense is easier than facing breakaways, 2 on 1s and point blant shots every other minute. Oh and until McIlrath arrived, nobody cleared any rebounds ever. The top pairing of Vernace and Collins was beyond brutal defensively. Literally beer league level defense.

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He benefited from playing in front of one of the best defensive squads in the league. He is good, I do not see him being a top-end starter though

In the AHL, he played behind the worst team in the league. Take T-Bone off the 2012-13 squad, and Hartford is by far in the last place. And as bad as they were overall, their defensive play was particularly bad. Defensively most ECHL teams were better than Hartford, without exaggeration.

Also, Alabama had a BS hockey program, but he singlehandedly took the team to the Sweet-16 where purely on the strength of his stone wall performance they almost beat the #1 ranked Miami-Ohio.

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He was absolutely amazing in the AHL, but the team had the worst defense (F or D) in the league. They would routinely collapse for 8-10 minutes at a time in a way you never see in the NHL. He would also face multiple breakaways and even more 2-on-1 fast breaks each game. Point blank shots from 5-10 feet out were routine.

Skim though my play by play reports of Hartford games when he was there. On multiple occasions I wrote that if I were him, I would not talk to my teammates because they just abandoned him.

Kenny G should've made them skate laps into the next decade as punishment for how they refused to support T-Bone.

Not only that, but he had no reliable backup, so he had to play something like 30-35 games in a row. When he ran out of steam, Missiaen got hot and started a few games, but prior to that, he faced second-most shots in the AHL, and the most scoring chances.

You can't imagine how much easier he has it in the NHL than in Hartford. I predicted it, too. It was obvious that playing behind a competent NHL defense is easier than facing breakaways, 2 on 1s and point blant shots every other minute. Oh and until McIlrath arrived, nobody cleared any rebounds ever. The top pairing of Vernace and Collins was beyond brutal defensively. Literally beer league level defense.
In his time in the AHL, he had a 0.914. All other CT goalies combined for a 0.908.

When did he play 30 in a row? His high in 2012-13 was 11 in a row.

I'm sure he can be a better NHL goalie than his AHL numbers suggest, but I would definitely bet against him being a starter.

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I can't see him ever being a 60+ game starter, but if he can have another solid ~20 game season I can see some teams taking a chance on him to platoon starts with a young goalie

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Talbot has opened some eyes in the NHL. Starting goal tending is so thin that he will get a shot after next season, Wouldn't surprise me is Sather used him as trade bait to fill a need that we have as well.

Look around the league who have become starters for there teams. Mason and Halak come to mind. These guys were journeymen who would get smacked around and started coming in to there own in their mid to late 20's.

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He was absolutely amazing in the AHL, but the team had the worst defense (F or D) in the league. They would routinely collapse for 8-10 minutes at a time in a way you never see in the NHL. He would also face multiple breakaways and even more 2-on-1 fast breaks each game. Point blank shots from 5-10 feet out were routine.

Skim though my play by play reports of Hartford games when he was there. On multiple occasions I wrote that if I were him, I would not talk to my teammates because they just abandoned him.

Kenny G should've made them skate laps into the next decade as punishment for how they refused to support T-Bone.

Not only that, but he had no reliable backup, so he had to play something like 30-35 games in a row. When he ran out of steam, Missiaen got hot and started a few games, but prior to that, he faced second-most shots in the AHL, and the most scoring chances.

You can't imagine how much easier he has it in the NHL than in Hartford. I predicted it, too. It was obvious that playing behind a competent NHL defense is easier than facing breakaways, 2 on 1s and point blant shots every other minute. Oh and until McIlrath arrived, nobody cleared any rebounds ever. The top pairing of Vernace and Collins was beyond brutal defensively. Literally beer league level defense.
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In the AHL, he played behind the worst team in the league. Take T-Bone off the 2012-13 squad, and Hartford is by far in the last place. And as bad as they were overall, their defensive play was particularly bad. Defensively most ECHL teams were better than Hartford, without exaggeration.

Also, Alabama had a BS hockey program, but he singlehandedly took the team to the Sweet-16 where purely on the strength of his stone wall performance they almost beat the #1 ranked Miami-Ohio.
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06-21-2014, 02:45 AM
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No he's not a starter. I can't see him handling an NHL load and I would need to see at least 30 games from him at this level before even suggesting he could be a starter.

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No he's not a starter. I can't see him handling an NHL load and I would need to see at least 30 games from him at this level before even suggesting he could be a starter.
Well if he posts another backup season like the one he had last year, I can see a team offering him a contract he doesn't deserve.

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He has had a similar career to Lindback before he was traded to TB for a first rounder.

Now, Talbot is a few years older than Lindback, but I wouldn't be shocked if he could net us a late 2nd or 3rd rounder if the right team was interested.

I'd only trade him if he was interested in leaving for a potential starting job. I'd prefer to keep him as Hanks backup.

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He had a good showing last season and teams certainly started to pay attention. This season will be crucial for Talbot to prove his overall consistency as a goalie.

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He has had a similar career to Lindback before he was traded to TB for a first rounder.
How so?

And I believe it was two 2nd rounders.

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If we could get a #1 or a pair of second rounders for Talbot, we should do it. However, I doubt anyone is giving that up, and I don't want to give up our very capable backup for a third rounder.

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Cam is gone as a UFA after next year. Zero chance he stays if he puts up anywhere near the season he did this year.
Correct, there is no shortage of teams hoping for the next starting goalie.

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He's a very valuable piece to the them. The Ranger team in 09-10 that missed the playoffs in a shootout got 0 points from the back up goalie. Hank got every point that season, was overplayed and it wasn't enough. So Cam is a valuable piece of the puzzle.

With that said, he hasn't been exposed yet, and there isn't a book out on him. The guy was lights out his last year in HFD, and was lights out in the NHL this year, but all goalies have weaknesses and it is a matter of reps and gametape when he gets exposed, so I don't expect those gaudy numbers to stick.

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How so?

And I believe it was two 2nd rounders.
Similar numbers in roughly the same amount of games.

Yeah it was two 2nd's, thought it was a first since they had two firsts at the '12 draft where they chose Vasilevski.

Again, I wouldn't trade him either, but he may ask for a trade if he thinks he has a shot as a starter.

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