HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread V

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-27-2014, 06:28 AM
  #51
Ola
Registered User
 
Ola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sweden
Country: Sweden
Posts: 20,758
vCash: 500
In the summer of 2017, in 3 years, we will see a 3rd line center signed for 7m. I would bet on it.

Ola is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 06:45 AM
  #52
Paulie Walnutz
Corsi? Fuhgedaboudit
 
Paulie Walnutz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Bloomfield, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 6,133
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Paulie Walnutz
I think we need 2 separate threads, one for rumors and signings/trades and one for speculation. I check here during work and I'll see wow 10 new pages something must have happened and then I see it's just page after page of bickering. I can't tell you how annoying it is scrolling through page after page of the same recycled bull****, while trying to see if there's been any rumors.


Last edited by Paulie Walnutz: 06-27-2014 at 06:56 AM.
Paulie Walnutz is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:13 AM
  #53
pld459666
Registered User
 
pld459666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Danbury, CT
Country: United States
Posts: 18,673
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by frozenrubber View Post
Pouliot put in the same role as last year, is a 20 goal scorer. That is worth 3 million no matter how much we cringe at it.

Even though Brassard doesn't get enough credit on that line (Zucc gets plenty), the size and more importantly, the hands of Pouliot did a lot on that line.

With Richards gone, the 2nd line should get even more prime icetime. I put money on the devil we know, instead of re-casting. The Rangers will have enough turnover this year, he's a player I keep.
Poo is not getting you 20 goals.

Poo is going to give you what he has given every team he has played for

13-17 goals
15-20 assists

28-35 points a season.

Lets not blind ourselves to those facts.

He will be 28 to start the season. His development is pretty much complete. He is what he is. A 3rd liner.

3 mil per year is (IMHO) 750k to much. I would push to 2.5, but that is max dollars.

Let someone else pay him 3 per over 4 years

pld459666 is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:18 AM
  #54
pld459666
Registered User
 
pld459666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Danbury, CT
Country: United States
Posts: 18,673
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by frozenrubber View Post
And that's exactly it. Pouliot is a 2nd line LW on this team. That's what a 2nd line wing should make, and he looked good in that role.

Yes you can roll the dice that a cheaper option could work, but we've all seen the Rangers swing and miss on that a ton. Pouliot has his warts, but the potential overpayment there is small compared to overspending by millions on a higher priced FA elsewhere in the lineup. Good teams have continuity, and this is continuity the Rangers can actually afford.

I for one don't want the Rangers to let Pouliot to walk for a few hundred thousand and pick up a handful of lower priced crap (Pyatt, Asham, Brashear, Rissmiller, Voros, etc).
LW depth on the Rangers?

Kreider
Hagelin
Poo

Poo worked well with Brass and Zuccs. And with that great chemistry he managed to a have a career year of a whopping 36 points.

Poo is no 2nd line winger on this team or any other

pld459666 is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:19 AM
  #55
Fletch
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 21,481
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ola View Post
In the summer of 2017, in 3 years, we will see a 3rd line center signed for 7m. I would bet on it.
eesh! I assume UFA. By how much are you calculating the cap to increase by then? I'm thinking there may be a blip, or a flatline, year between now and then, unfortunately. I think for a 3rd liner to get that much he would have to be a vet, and perhaps a PP specialist whose time you'd want limited due to durability, but who can help a lot on the PP and put up points. But, of course, that then cannibalizes your forwards on the top two lines, unless you have a couple cheapos on those lines, and therefore maybe you paid a 3rd line centerman $7MM, but your 2nd line centerman is making $2MM. So, is $7MM for a third line centerman really realistic without the cap exploding and guys on your top two lines not making much?

Fletch is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:23 AM
  #56
Fletch
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 21,481
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundsanity30 View Post
Yep, but right now, who would that be? unless he's playing with Stepan.
as of now, he is playing with JT Miller; not really the centerman the Rangers likely had in mind when giving away a couple #1s for him. St. Louis is one of those guys who seems to be able to put up the points with most anybody. Well, except if you're talking about the period from which he joined the Rangers through sometime in the second round of the playoffs! Hopefully that monkey's off his back!

Fletch is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:30 AM
  #57
Vitto79
Registered User
 
Vitto79's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sarnia
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,465
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pld459666 View Post
LW depth on the Rangers?

Kreider
Hagelin
Poo

Poo worked well with Brass and Zuccs. And with that great chemistry he managed to a have a career year of a whopping 36 points.

Poo is no 2nd line winger on this team or any other
it looks alot better on paper when you can say RW is MSL and Zuc and LW is Nash and Kreider

slide Hagelin into the 3rd line role and Poo at 3rd RW or a UFA

at C I think its Stepan and Brassard barring a deal. Miller 3rd line C competing with Lindberg. Also Moore could push them if he is signed

Vitto79 is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:41 AM
  #58
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
 
haohmaru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Fleming Island, Fl
Country: United States
Posts: 7,636
vCash: 500
Man, the UFA market is an overpriced heap of crap.

Dan Boyle at 5.5M for 2-3 years? No.
Pouliout for 3M x 3 years (and this, apparently, is "conservative")? No.
Stralman at 4.5M+ for term (5+ years)? Yes if we had cap space. No.
Stastny at 7M+? No.
Brian Boyle at 3+M? No.

I'm going for under the radar guys if I'm Slats.

haohmaru is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:42 AM
  #59
NYR Viper
Registered User
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 32,235
vCash: 500
Quote:
Ricky otazu ‏@Dagoon44 30m
Rangers will let 2 f.a. Walk.. Working the phones for D.
B.P to the flyers ? Kane is going today but rangers might not have enough
Discuss the rumor, not the source

NYR Viper is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:46 AM
  #60
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
 
haohmaru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Fleming Island, Fl
Country: United States
Posts: 7,636
vCash: 500
I think Stralman is gone for sure. Pouliout, too. And Boyle.

haohmaru is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:49 AM
  #61
NYR Viper
Registered User
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 32,235
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianBoyle View Post
No to $3M per for Poo. Yes to signing Dustin Penner on the cheap.
No to both. Winnik. Raymond. Or trade for someone.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RangerBoy View Post
Ken Hughes hasn't had many extensive discussions with Jeff Gorton about his client. Pouliot wants to cash in on his season and sign a long-term contract. The Rangers are better off with Fast. Right-handed shot. Pouliot is cinderella. Its only a matter of time before he reverts back to being the inconsistent player who bounced around from Minnesota to Montreal to Boston to TB to New York. He took some stupid penalties in the playoffs. The Rangers signed him a one year deal where Pouliot took a $500,000 pay cut. Don't push your luck and sign this guy.
Makes total sense. I just hope that team is not the Rangers

NYR Viper is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 07:52 AM
  #62
eco's bones
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Elmira NY
Country: United States
Posts: 15,948
vCash: 500
I might give Pouliot a little over $2 mil per but that's about it. He's not in Brassard's range and not remotely in Zucc's. If Zucc and Brass continue to work together they will find chemistry with someone. It doesn't have to be Benoit. I appreciate the size, skill, physicality but he doesn't kill penalties and he takes a lot of dumb ones. He has a couple serious flaws. Pouliot still hasn't proven he's legit until he can string some good seasons together and while last year was a positive step forward for him it wasn't really great. Of our top 9 forwards it was a battle between him and Richards for No. 9.

eco's bones is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:00 AM
  #63
eco's bones
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Elmira NY
Country: United States
Posts: 15,948
vCash: 500
Can't say I care much for Dustin Penner. The Caps brought him in from Anaheim last year to help them get into the playoffs and 1 goal and 3 points in 18 games. To me he's been one of the most overrated players in the game the past 3-4 years.

He's big and strong and physical when he wants to be. The problem is he doesn't want to be often enough. He's a lesser Chris Stewart in my eyes.

eco's bones is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:00 AM
  #64
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 18,011
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYR Viper View Post
Discuss the rumor, not the source
Will people remember this nonsense if/when Kane doesnt get traded today?

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:02 AM
  #65
NYR Viper
Registered User
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 32,235
vCash: 500
Question:

If ROR wants 6+ million anyways and Stastny wants just around 7, wouldn't it be the more prudent thing to just sign Stastny?

If they can somehow still re-sign Stralman, then move Staal for help elsewhere, (I'm looking at you, Evander Kane). Or would Brassard + be enough to nab Kane?

I still like the idea of someone like Morin or Connolly on the opposite wing from Zucc. Someone young, hungry with decent size and a good shot. Let them develop.

NYR Viper is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:03 AM
  #66
Vitto79
Registered User
 
Vitto79's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sarnia
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,465
vCash: 500
3 yrs 9 million for pouliott ? No thanks . Let fast and Kristo battle it out in camp .

I agree pouliott could easily revert back to being unproductive

Vitto79 is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:03 AM
  #67
NYR Viper
Registered User
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 32,235
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
Will people remember this nonsense if/when Kane doesnt get traded today?
I have actually followed him for years now, he is right at a decent clip. Obviously not everything happens that is discussed out there but the guy has sources.

And that is the last we will be discussing the source!

NYR Viper is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:04 AM
  #68
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 18,011
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYR Viper View Post
Question:

If ROR wants 6+ million anyways and Stastny wants just around 7, wouldn't it be the more prudent thing to just sign Stastny?.
Assets + $6M+ for O'Reilly or $7M+ for Stastny

The prudent thing to do would be to stay away from both

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:05 AM
  #69
Ail
Now we wait.
 
Ail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Mysidia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 24,677
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYR Viper View Post
Question:

If ROR wants 6+ million anyways and Stastny wants just around 7, wouldn't it be the more prudent thing to just sign Stastny?

If they can somehow still re-sign Stralman, then move Staal for help elsewhere, (I'm looking at you, Evander Kane). Or would Brassard + be enough to nab Kane?

I still like the idea of someone like Morin or Connolly on the opposite wing from Zucc. Someone young, hungry with decent size and a good shot. Let them develop.
Considering that RoR is:

Younger
Better (probably a lot better eventually)

I would say despite one costs assets and not just money, it's not that black and white.

Ail is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:06 AM
  #70
Ail
Now we wait.
 
Ail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Mysidia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 24,677
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
Assets + $6M+ for O'Reilly or $7M+ for Stastny

The prudent thing to do would be to stay away from both
Essentially this.

Going to be a rough few days here.

Ail is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:11 AM
  #71
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 18,011
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ail View Post
Essentially this.

Going to be a rough few days here.
Theres 3 things that get me here;

1. The Rangers just made the final yet, as usual, lots of fans want video game-like massive roster turnover
2. The Rangers have cap issues
3. The Rangers have asset issues

The last 2 are hard truths that cannot be ignored and likely lead to a slower summer when it comes to enhancing the roster - much to the chagrin of now, now, now fans.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:17 AM
  #72
SupersonicMonkey*
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 16,231
vCash: 500
It's asinine that they are about to let Stralman walk over what will probably be a few hundred thousand and a couple of extra years, and then presumably attempt to commit to Staal long-term at 6+ million per, knowing about his head injuries, his eye, and his slow skating.

They better get creative in finding Stralman's replacement. Dan Boyle would be a disaster.

SupersonicMonkey* is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:19 AM
  #73
Ail
Now we wait.
 
Ail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Mysidia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 24,677
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
Theres 3 things that get me here;

1. The Rangers just made the final yet, as usual, lots of fans want video game-like massive roster turnover
2. The Rangers have cap issues
3. The Rangers have asset issues

The last 2 are hard truths that cannot be ignored and likely lead to a slower summer when it comes to enhancing the roster - much to the chagrin of now, now, now fans.
Yes, and unfortunately #2 is starting to look like it will cause #1 regardless.

Boyle: Highly likely to be gone.
Pouliot: Pretty likely.
Stralman: Likely.
Staal: Possibly traded but more likely here until at least March.
Moore: Likely to be back.

1.5/5 is good, right?...

Ail is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:19 AM
  #74
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 18,011
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectrocutedCat View Post
It's asinine that they are about to let Stralman walk over what will probably be a few hundred thousand and a couple of extra years, and then presumably attempt to commit to Staal long-term at 6+ million per, knowing about his head injuries, his eye, and his slow skating.

They better get creative in finding Stralman's replacement. Dan Boyle would be a disaster.
Im leaning towards Staal and Stralman both being on the opening night roster - Staal without a new contract.

The offense will be a question mark, but thats what 2/3rds of the season and the trade deadline are for.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Old
06-27-2014, 08:21 AM
  #75
Ail
Now we wait.
 
Ail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Mysidia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 24,677
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectrocutedCat View Post
It's asinine that they are about to let Stralman walk over what will probably be a few hundred thousand and a couple of extra years, and then presumably attempt to commit to Staal long-term at 6+ million per, knowing about his head injuries, his eye, and his slow skating.

They better get creative in finding Stralman's replacement. Dan Boyle would be a disaster.
Letting Stralman walk could be the worst move of the offseason assuming they do not sign or trade for anyone old and slow.

Ail is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:37 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2016 All Rights Reserved.