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06-28-2014, 03:16 PM
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This... especially if we're not bringing in another high priced player (maybe pushing others down).. we need to have that good depth that we had last season.
The best way to do that is to not hand roster spots to kids.

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06-28-2014, 03:17 PM
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The best way to do that is to not hand roster spots to kids.
I think we can afford one (Miller) or two. (Fast?).. but no way we can fill the whole bottom 6 with kids.

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06-28-2014, 03:20 PM
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Hank for a top center!!?

Oh.. wait, am I late to the party?.. Is Cam still the go to guy?

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06-28-2014, 03:21 PM
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Klein is sigened for 4 more years at that cap hit.. which is actually REALLY good value, compared to 4.5-5M for Stralman.
I am with you..

Stralmans good but why pay out the ass to keep him.. Klein is a great player, and can fill those shoes.. They are both similar players to me in the sense that both don't take risk, and keep the game VERY VERY simple..

Bring in youth to earn that spot...D. Boyle is a slats move for sure, but in the short term it may be worth it for a PP guy, and he'd play with Staal so it works good..

Most of all save the $$$$.. He also plays with an awesome partner in Staal who is up for a raise as well next year.. SO i definitely don't want to have 30m+ invested on D.. We need a C and most likely a rebuilt 3rd & 4th line.

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06-28-2014, 03:31 PM
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Klein is sigened for 4 more years at that cap hit.. which is actually REALLY good value, compared to 4.5-5M for Stralman.
2.9mil is hardly good value for a defenseman who is 7th in Playoff TOI/PG. Many free agents available that can fill a #6 role making near minimum salary. Bad cap management.

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06-28-2014, 03:33 PM
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2.9mil is hardly good value for a defenseman who is 7th in Playoff TOI/PG. Many free agents available that can fill a #6 role making near minimum salary. Bad cap management.
so is paying Stralman 5M (which will be Staal money next year, prob more), to be the 4th best dman on the team.. regardless of what stats say, Mcdonagh, Girardi and Staal will all be ahead of him.

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2.9mil is hardly good value for a defenseman who is 7th in Playoff TOI/PG. Many free agents available that can fill a #6 role making near minimum salary. Bad cap management.
Ker Mint pls.

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06-28-2014, 03:35 PM
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2.9mil is hardly good value for a defenseman who is 7th in Playoff TOI/PG. Many free agents available that can fill a #6 role making near minimum salary. Bad cap management.
I find it hilarious that you rank him behind Diaz as if he was a more important part in our run this year.

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2.9mil is hardly good value for a defenseman who is 7th in Playoff TOI/PG. Many free agents available that can fill a #6 role making near minimum salary. Bad cap management.
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06-28-2014, 03:44 PM
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I find it hilarious that you rank him behind Diaz as if he was a more important part in our run this year.
Not ranking him behind Diaz, merely pointing out his TOI/PG...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

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We traded for Klein because his contract is GREAT. Not good, but great.

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Not ranking him behind Diaz, merely pointing out his TOI/PG...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary
And the way you worded it was as if he was a lesser player. Everyone knows you have some sort of agenda against Klein. Fact is, he's on a good deal and is much better then "some filler guy who can play in the #6."

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06-28-2014, 03:48 PM
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And the way you worded it was as if he was a lesser player. Everyone knows you have some sort of agenda against Klein. Fact is, he's on a good deal and is much better then "some filler guy who can play in the #6."
Where are the facts?

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06-28-2014, 03:51 PM
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We traded for Klein because his contract is GREAT. Not good, but great.

And because he's not MDZ.

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06-28-2014, 03:54 PM
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We traded for Klein because his contract is GREAT. Not good, but great.
It's a great contract if/when Klein becomes a defacto #4D due to losing one who is leagues better than he is. Too bad the team will be that much worse.

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06-28-2014, 03:56 PM
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Fact is, he's on a good deal and is much better then "some filler guy who can play in the #6."
The second part of this statement is probably true. He's not on a good deal for a bottom pairing defenseman, which is what he should be.

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06-28-2014, 03:58 PM
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This roster has not improved thus far and there are at least a few UFA leaving.

I don't see how we fix the losses let alone improve.

At this point anyway.

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06-28-2014, 04:01 PM
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Klein has been a #4 defenceman on a top 10 defensive team in Nashville is a much tougher conference,

I have no doubt that he will be MORE than adequate for us at that same spot

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06-28-2014, 04:02 PM
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Where are the facts?
Yes we have been here before, he is just way better than you give him credit and why you can't see it I don't know but have you ever ask yourself why does all these people rate him that much higher than you do?

And you will put up some fancy stats trying to say he's Bickel 2.0

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06-28-2014, 04:04 PM
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This roster has not improved thus far and there are at least a few UFA leaving.

I don't see how we fix the losses let alone improve.

At this point anyway.
Improving was going to be difficult from the beginning. They basically had the cap space to bring back a similar team without adding too much. Now they can't even do that. Just short of some very good trades, I'm not sure they can improve this team this offseason. I would be happy if they ended up breaking even.

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06-28-2014, 04:05 PM
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Klein has been a #4 defenceman on a top 10 defensive team in Nashville is a much tougher conference,

I have no doubt that he will be MORE than adequate for us at that same spot
We'll be finding out soon enough.

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06-28-2014, 04:08 PM
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Where are the facts?
Let's look at how John Moore performed with Del Zotto and Klein as partners to see if he improved with Klein.

Possession

With Moore-Del Zotto the Rangers attempted 20.80 shots for per 20 minutes, and conceded 17.78 leading to an attempt differential of +3.02 per 20 minutes -> +9.06 per 60 minutes (entire game for context).

With Moore-Klein the Rangers attempted 19.47 shots for per 20 and conceded 19.67 shots against leading to a differential of -0.22 per 20 minutes or -0.66 60 minutes.

So we created less and conceded more with Moore-Klein. Zone starts and opponents aren't an argument for the difference as Klein actually received easier zone starts than Del Zotto and the same competition (he even faced lesser forwards). If we adjust the numbers for zone starts it comes out in an even bigger favor of Del Zotto.

I think their samples are way too small for a goal-based analysis, but some aren't sold on possession numbers so let's look at the actual results in terms of goals as those are the ones that win games.

Goals

With Moore-Del Zotto the Rangers scored 0.770 goals per 20 minutes and conceded 0.533 for a differential of +0.237 per 20 minutes or +0.711 per 60 minutes.

With Moore-Klein the Rangers scored 0.605 goals per 20 minutes and conceded 0.404 for a differential of +.201 per 20 minutes or +0.603 per 60 minutes.

So Moore-Klein is a lot closer to Moore-Del Zotto in this department, yet not completely there. Considering the difference in possession numbers, the goal differential of Moore-Klein is a lot less sustainable than the differential of Moore-Del Zotto.

Conclusion

Our third pairing got significantly worse after the trade and I'd take it back in a second if I could. Klein is not worth his contract on the Rangers and should be traded.

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06-28-2014, 04:13 PM
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Im out not getting into the stupid Stralman vs Klein argument again.. round and round we go with np one changing their opinions

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06-28-2014, 04:15 PM
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We'll be finding out soon enough.
and we will also find out how good Stralman is playing without Staal or Henrik Lundqvist behind him. Should be interesting

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06-28-2014, 04:19 PM
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Im out not getting into the stupid Stralman vs Klein argument again.. round and round we go with np one changing their opinions
I'm not arguing Klein vs Strålman, I'm arguing Klein vs Del Zotto. Del Zotto was better in the role the NYR used them in. Bad trade.

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