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View Poll Results: How would you grade the Winnipeg Jets draft?
A - Awesome 14 12.84%
B - Very Good 61 55.96%
C - Good 31 28.44%
D - Bad 3 2.75%
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06-28-2014, 06:22 PM
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C. No second round pick and really outside of Ehlers most of these guys look like projects

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06-28-2014, 06:23 PM
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D, Jets needed a big centre and Chevy drafts a pint sized winger, Chevy forget the Jets now in the ''BIG" western conference?

No #2 for crappy Seto looks pretty stupid no as well

No playoffs in 2014-2015 and NO Chevy in June 2015!
The Jets are one of the biggest teams in the NHL height and weight wise.

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06-28-2014, 06:29 PM
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The Jets are one of the biggest teams in the NHL height and weight wise.
Guys like Wheeler and Tangradi might be big but they sure don't play like it

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06-28-2014, 06:39 PM
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Guys like Wheeler and Tangradi might be big but they sure don't play like it
And other teams have those players too.
Just like how Jets have smaller players who play bigger and other teams do as well.

Size is overrated. It's an attribute that contributes to the overall, not the overall.

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06-28-2014, 07:04 PM
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And other teams have those players too.
Just like how Jets have smaller players who play bigger and other teams do as well.

Size is overrated. It's an attribute that contributes to the overall, not the overall.
I agree with everything your saying my point is that it's miss leading about how we have a big team when most of our bigs play soft

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06-28-2014, 07:08 PM
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I agree with everything your saying my point is that it's miss leading about how we have a big team when most of our bigs play soft
I know you're not a size = all guy, but I do think that it is just as likely to misleading for us as others.

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06-28-2014, 07:20 PM
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I rate the draft a solid B, even taking into account the second round pick we lost.

Picking at 9 and getting a high end talent like Ehlers is a huge plus in my view. I think that Glover and De Leo have second and third round value, so in my mind this compensates for not having the pick in the second round.

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06-28-2014, 07:59 PM
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Like most I would give it a B if we have to assign a grade immediately.

Not having the 2nd let alone additional 2nd or 3rd selections make it hard to like as much as last years for the overall picture.

Think we hit on an immensely skilled , dynamic winger , a lot of upside with Ehlers and much more likely to deliver on that then say Petan imo. Glover was a solid value pick and we need some quality D prospects. Like the value again for De Leo but wonder if he may never do some things well enough to separate himself from the AHL NHL tweener pack.

We picked some third year eligibles again , and that definitely is becoming a trend in the league but also the development shouldn't be as dramatic for players like Franklin and Ustaski and they are long shots at best anyway . Kraskovsky has a lot of positives and could see that pick as the one that continues the Hellebycuk , Copp potential big wins for draft slot.

I really hoped we would have moved some lesser pieces , some pending UFA's for picks in rounds 2 , 3 or 4 . I like how we draft , think we do an above average job grading and when you have 2 or 3 extra picks in those rounds obviously the chance to get future NHL production is much higher. Having #9 OA , a 2nd , two 3rds and the 2 4ths would have set us up for a draft like last year which could definitely have really helped replenish the prospect pool.

Hopefully we don't pick as low as 9 next year but we have at least 2 additional picks in the early/mid rounds. So the strength of the Ehlers pick , Glover as a very solid value pick paired with picks that have some positives and chance makes it a B for me.

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06-28-2014, 08:07 PM
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D, Jets needed a big centre and Chevy drafts a pint sized winger, Chevy forget the Jets now in the ''BIG" western conference?

No #2 for crappy Seto looks pretty stupid no as well

No playoffs in 2014-2015 and NO Chevy in June 2015!
Draft BPA
not for need

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06-28-2014, 08:32 PM
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Sippy wont be complaining when Ehlers is a beast on our Power Play, something we don't have right now!
I totally agree,I actually think Ehlers filled the biggest need we have both on our roster and in the system better than any other player in the draft,a pure goal scorer with game breaking abilities.

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06-28-2014, 09:17 PM
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06-28-2014, 09:47 PM
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I like the insight people have on the draft. I think many people are rating it lower because of previous drafts, however, I don't remember players like Connor Goaltender being looked at as a huge steal and I DEFINITELY remember the people here being upset we took Jacob Trouba over Filip Forsberg. I just think this year we took one of the best players on the board in Ehlers who was a huge riser from the beginning of the season, maybe the biggest jump, our 3rd rounder from the US team was ranked much better than where he went and another player was similar to that which was impressive. The only reach I felt was the defensive defenseman we took.

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06-28-2014, 09:57 PM
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I think the Jets have likely scored their second big win in a row on draft day.

I took a look at the link Garret posted a few days ago:

http://www.extraskater.com/chl/playe...ints_all_per60

Now I'm certainly no stats expert so someone please feel free to point out the errors in my simple formula, but I looked at all the top CHL forwards drafted and compared their ranking.

I looked at the top 20 players in 5 categories... (All p/60) (EVp/60) (GF%) (GF% Rel) (EV QoC eTOI%).

I gave them points according to their standing...20 points for first place in the CHL, 19 for second place and so on down to 1 point for 20th.

I focused on P/60 rather than points because of course some players received FAR more ice-time than others and I think it's a fairer comparison.

Here are the results:

Draisaitl: Total of 37 points from the 5 categories.
Bennett: 50
Reinhart: 37
Dal Colle: 3
Virtanen: 11

Ehlers: 85!! yes 85!

And more good news:

De Leo: 37. Nice!


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06-28-2014, 10:07 PM
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Ehlers was:

4th in All p/60
5th in EV p/60
1'st in GF%
6th in GF% rel
4th in EV QoC E toi%

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Love, love, love the Ehlers pick. I screamed like a girl when Chevy called his name. Also like Glover and De Leo. Unsure of the Nogier pick, but the rest seem like good value.

Rounding off to a C+

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06-28-2014, 10:25 PM
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Pronman graded Jets at A-, 5th in relative to draft position.

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06-28-2014, 10:50 PM
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  CPDR Drafted Plus Value
Ehlers 5 9 +4
Glover 49 69 +20
De Leo 64 99 +35
Nogier 90 101 +11
Franlink 172 164 -8
Kraskovsky 127 192 +65
Ustaski 192  

Selection versus Pronman's rankings.
I don't always agree with Pronman, but I like him... and also his rankings aren't as accessible due to paywall.

EDIT:
Unfortunately this is all I feel like I should give, as Pronman is part of HockeyProspectus, which I have a link with.
If someone else does I will be fine.


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06-28-2014, 11:13 PM
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Pronman graded Jets at A-, 5th in relative to draft position.
Can you list the rankings please?

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06-29-2014, 12:13 AM
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Also, very American of us...
4 Americans
1 Canadian
1 Dane
1 Russian
We have alot of Americans.

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I gave them an A considering the talent pool available this year and I can't really make a single complaint about any of the choices they made at each draft slot.

I would however downgrade it to a B if we included Setoguchi as a "draft selection" as we lost a 2nd rounder which I likely would have used to select any of Mckeown, Dougherty, or Pollock. Although landing Glover a whole round later, who I would have been fine with as a 2nd rounder somewhat makes up for this.


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06-29-2014, 01:36 AM
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  CPDR Drafted Plus Value
Ehlers 5 9 +4
Glover 49 69 +20
De Leo 64 99 +35
Nogier 90 101 +11
Franlink 172 164 -8
Kraskovsky 127 192 +65
Ustaski 192  

Selection versus Pronman's rankings.
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If someone else does I will be fine.
What was it you were asking him about on twitter , about him not liking the picks /players for your favourite team as much as you did ?

I also saw how he mentioned how much he liked the first round picks we've made.

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06-29-2014, 02:50 AM
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What was it you were asking him about on twitter , about him not liking the picks /players for your favourite team as much as you did ?

I also saw how he mentioned how much he liked the first round picks we've made.
Oh that's an inside joke. Most complaints to him are basically "why don't you like [insert player from my favourite team]" and nothing else.

He graded our draft pretty high. All but two of our picks were +value for him.

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06-29-2014, 03:15 AM
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I gave the draft a B, largely on the strength of the Ehlers pick. I think that in most cases the first round pick really defines the draft. A clunker drags it down, whereas a great pick can really carry an otherwise so-so draft.

I'm still ticked about losing the 2nd rounder this year for Seto, but whatever.

I think it's way too early to know whether anyone else from the draft will have any impact, but they have a few picks that look to have some potential.

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I am concerned that too many Americans have been drafted. You need Canadians to win in the playoffs.

And a Pavs trade for a 7th round pick would have been awesome.

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06-29-2014, 05:17 AM
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D, Jets needed a big centre and Chevy drafts a pint sized winger, Chevy forget the Jets now in the ''BIG" western conference?

No #2 for crappy Seto looks pretty stupid no as well

No playoffs in 2014-2015 and NO Chevy in June 2015!
No guarentee any second rounder does better than seto has did last year. It was a gamble that didnt pay off but people would've been mad if he didnt make atleast make some kind of move at that time. IMO the Frolik pickup over rides the seto fail. In my opinion it was worth the risk altho it didnt work out. The west really isn't bigger in a significant sense, i think its more of a scheme type deal.What center availible at #9 could make a big enough impact for the Jets in the next year or two? This magic way off the board pick would have to take over bright eyes...Who knows maybe sometime in the next year or so we get some random big guy to play our #3 C and youll be happy. Youre mad at draft results a day after when ANYONE we grabbed there is atleast two years away from a big role with the club.

Playoffs are most likely a reach for us next year but ffs its not even July yet lmfao not time to throw away the entire season just yet But really is it such a bad thing if we poop the bed next year? Its way too early to talk about doing away with chevy basically for his drafting. Two of our picks have played in the NHL so far and both are living up to or exceeding expectations.

Although I fully understand why a lot of posters are frustrated with the lack of big moves by chevy thus far remember what they set out to do in the first place. It will take time, hell theres a good chance half our core isn't around when we finally become real contenders but that is OK. TN said they were going to build from the bottom up. Restock the cupboards. Draft/develop etc etc. Its happening now. Our biggest problem right now is goalie and altho it looks like were staying the course with that guy we have three goalies to be really really excited about in the system coming up fast.

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