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06-29-2014, 10:38 PM
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What are you talking about? Spezza's GM and Poile we're talking about a trade 2 days ago, and Spezza said no to coming here. Please let Spezza go.
Read the LeBrun and Campbell articles. They explain everything.

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06-29-2014, 10:39 PM
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I dont know how we got onto Spezza again (in an MDZ thread) but the fact is if Spezza changes his mind and wants to come here I am sure all he has to do is tell his agent to let poile know he will sign a 5 year extension, and everything will be as cool as the other side of the pillow

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06-29-2014, 10:44 PM
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Poile on MDZ tonight on Channel 2..it's not a fit. Yowzers.

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06-29-2014, 10:49 PM
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Read the LeBrun and Campbell articles. They explain everything.
Sure do...

From the LeBrun article..which is titled Spezza nixes trade to Nashville..

“I've talked to Bryan about Jason, and I was told through [Spezza’s] agent that he didn’t want to play for us. And that was confirmed by Bryan," Poile said Saturday.

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06-29-2014, 11:04 PM
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Sure do...

From the LeBrun article..which is titled Spezza nixes trade to Nashville..

“I've talked to Bryan about Jason, and I was told through [Spezza’s] agent that he didn’t want to play for us. And that was confirmed by Bryan," Poile said Saturday.
...because we were on his no trade list... which was created a while ago. Read the Campbell article.


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06-29-2014, 11:25 PM
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We are getting off topic now as it is the MDZ thread. I watched Poile's press conference and from what he said he has talked to some teams about trading him but he could get signed too. He also said he doesn't regret the Klein trade because Jones and Ellis tried the left side but they were way better on the right side so he needed to do something. Also said that with Bartley they'd still have 6 D men should MDZ go and that Jones, Ekholm and Ellis could play more minutes now. Getting a 3rd pairing D isn't that hard if Poile wanted to get one.

In regards to Wilson playing center he did say that that is where they want him to play but it would be up to Lavy and if they acquire some other players they may have to move guys around.

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06-29-2014, 11:26 PM
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I won't post anymore on th Spezza topic, it's just baffling to me how people can't seem to accept that the player doesn't want to come here. It's just odd how fixated some are, no matter what evidence is presented. We are all free to believe whatever we want, of course.

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06-29-2014, 11:29 PM
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It really sucks we are without Klein now, but agree that we had to try something different to get the right handers balanced out. I was holding out hope Del Zotto would find a niche in Laviolettes system.

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Poile on MDZ tonight on Channel 2..it's not a fit. Yowzers.
I still can't believe we got rid of Klein for MDZ. What a waste.

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At the time we traded Klein for MDZ:

1. Trotz was still coach,
2. We needed a LHD, and
3. We still had an outside chance at a playoff spot.

At the time the trade was made, it wasn't a bad one.

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06-30-2014, 07:41 AM
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If it was obvious he wanted/needed to be on his way, why didn't we trade him for a pick at the draft?

Won't call this trade a total bust but I doubt we get someone of Kleiner's character for the same $$$ we had with him.

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Just a thought. If this is a cap move, let's see if we can package him and Cullen in a trade. I wouldn't expect much back, but it looks like we don't have a need for Cullen at center anymore. Maybe a team views him as a good 2C.

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06-30-2014, 08:54 AM
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If it was obvious he wanted/needed to be on his way, why didn't we trade him for a pick at the draft?

Won't call this trade a total bust but I doubt we get someone of Kleiner's character for the same $$$ we had with him.
I think for the most part GMs in this league aren't stupid. They know MDZ wasn't very good last season. They know he is RFA, and if Poile is shopping him, he most likely isn't qualifying him. Why trade anything for him then?

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06-30-2014, 08:56 AM
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At the time we traded Klein for MDZ:

1. Trotz was still coach,
2. We needed a LHD, and
3. We still had an outside chance at a playoff spot.

At the time the trade was made, it wasn't a bad one.
I will have to disagree with you. At the time, I saw it as a bad trade and my opinion hasn't changed.

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06-30-2014, 09:00 AM
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Just a thought. If this is a cap move, let's see if we can package him and Cullen in a trade. I wouldn't expect much back, but it looks like we don't have a need for Cullen at center anymore. Maybe a team views him as a good 2C.
Cullen has experience playing for Laviolette, knows his system, and had some of his best statistical years playing in that situation. I would be very surprised to see him moved.

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There was a logic behind trading Klein for MDZ but that didn't make it look like a good deal at the time. The recent comments from the front office make it look even worse now.

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Ill be very disappointed if we let him walk for nothing. Klein isnt the superstar that a lot of people thought, and he wasnt going to get us a top 6 winger, but to lose him for nothing is really just a blunder by Poile, pure and simple. Doesnt totally negate the great job Poile did in getting a super return for Legwand and Erat but definitely will be a negative.

Just have to wonder who scouted MDZ and pitched him to Poile as a good fit for us...

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06-30-2014, 09:11 AM
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His QO is 2,550,000 according to capgeek.

His last contract was a 2 year 5.1m, 2.2 the first year, 2.9 the 2nd.

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His QO is 2,550,000 according to capgeek.

His last contract was a 2 year 5.1m, 2.2 the first year, 2.9 the 2nd.
Qualifying offers are based off of actual salary in the final year - so it's $2.9M for the QO.

I never liked this trade from the get go, but he still needs to be retained. See if he rebounds or trade him. I just have a hard time believing he's worth absolutely nothing to every team in the league.

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06-30-2014, 11:58 AM
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Qualifying offers are based off of actual salary in the final year - so it's $2.9M for the QO.

I never liked this trade from the get go, but he still needs to be retained. See if he rebounds or trade him. I just have a hard time believing he's worth absolutely nothing to every team in the league.
That is correct his number is 2.9. And is Poile is serious about spending for a 1c I do not see any chance he qualify' s him. Unless he unload his rights MDZ will become a UFA. I don't see him signing a contract smaller than his QO before the deadline either.

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If I'm another team's GM, what is my motivation for trading for him today and giving up something, no matter how small, or giving him an offer tomorrow that's less than his QO and not giving up anything?

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If I'm another team's GM, what is my motivation for trading for him today and giving up something, no matter how small, or giving him an offer tomorrow that's less than his QO and not giving up anything?
If you trade for him today you can qualify him and be assured of having him on the team. If you don't, you can take a shot at him in free agency but there are no guarantees that another team won't beat your offer.

So it's just a standard cost/benefit analysis. What's he worth to your team, etc.

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If you trade for him today you can qualify him and be assured of having him on the team. If you don't, you can take a shot at him in free agency but there are no guarantees that another team won't beat your offer.

So it's just a standard cost/benefit analysis. What's he worth to your team, etc.
If you listen to the experts of HF Boards he's going to be playing in the KHL for $8.00 an hour

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That is the crux of the situation. At this late hour Poile is in danger of losing him unless his rights are part of a trade to garner another piece. As I recall there were many here growling at the thought MDZ would noit be allowed to walk and would be qualified. Looks like this is worst case happining right now.

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