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06-29-2014, 04:25 PM
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No, but it does have highest violent crime rate in Ontario. Lefebrve isn't the greatest coach ever known in the AHL. Nygren should have stayed...he'd likely be in NHL now. But he didn't, do you give him a second chance or let him finish his career in Sweden?
He had 2 1st rounder in front of him in Hamilton an NHL vet in Drewiskie. Another guy close to the NHL in Patryn and like 8 D-man in MTL. He was not close to a recall at all.

People act like he walked out Grabovski style.

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He had 2 1st rounder in front of him in Hamilton an NHL vet in Drewiskie. Another guy close to the NHL in Patryn and like 8 D-man in MTL. He was not close to a recall at all.

People act like he walked out Grabovski style.
Drewiske was out for 90% of the season with an injury. On top of this he was outplaying all three of our "Hamilton big three" in every single game he played.

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No, but it does have highest violent crime rate in Ontario. Lefebrve isn't the greatest coach ever known in the AHL. Nygren should have stayed...he'd likely be in NHL now. But he didn't, do you give him a second chance or let him finish his career in Sweden?
Saying it has one of the highest crime rates in Ontario is like saying she's one of the ugliest girls in the ms. Universe pageant. http://globalnews.ca/news/742511/ont...nada-statscan/

Plenty, if not the majority of NHL cities have much more crime than hamilton.

This isn't even about that. It's about a guy who quit on his team mid season. Shows ZERO character to an organization that sees character as the primary asset it's looking for in players.

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Saying it has one of the highest crime rates in Ontario is like saying she's one of the ugliest girls in the ms. Universe pageant. http://globalnews.ca/news/742511/ont...nada-statscan/

Plenty, if not the majority of NHL cities have much more crime than hamilton.

This isn't even about that. It's about a guy who quit on his team mid season. Shows ZERO character to an organization that sees character as the primary asset it's looking for in players.
A lot of people have told me Hamilton is a slummy town. Chances are there is something to it.

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A lot of people have told me Hamilton is a slummy town. Chances are there is something to it.
If he can't go through Hamilton and Lefebvre how can we expect him to perform acceptably here? Even Subban had to "survive" Hamilton.

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Hamilton is just one of those cities where you avoid anything that doesn't look like a really, really nice area. It's got an insecure, small town mentality where people tend to glare at you. IIRC there was alot of crackhead activity last summer, like people chasing pregnant women around with screwdrivers and random knife attacks.

Habs management should take better steps to making sure their prospects find decent apartments and stay out of the meth district(s).

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Hamilton is just one of those cities where you avoid anything that doesn't look like a really, really nice area. It's got an insecure, small town mentality where people tend to glare at you. IIRC there was alot of crackhead activity last summer, like people chasing pregnant women around with screwdrivers and random knife attacks.

Habs management should take better steps to making sure their prospects find decent apartments and stay out of the meth district(s).
Or move their team to Laval like they were going to do.

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A lot of people have told me Hamilton is a slummy town. Chances are there is something to it.
Ok again, none of the other Bulldog players left, EVER. Hamilton may not be the garden of Eden but it's also not Iraq or Afghanistan either. And it's way better than Winnipeg, buffalo, Detroit, Edmonton etc. Could he not play in any of those cities either or would he be too scared?

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Hamilton is an absolute hole, not better than any of the cities you mentioned. Such a dump.

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I don't care where our players develop. I don't care.

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If they can play they can play. Bring them onto the team if they can play. I would actually support or homegrown players deciding to develop in another hockey market country.

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If he can't go through Hamilton and Lefebvre how can we expect him to perform acceptably here? Even Subban had to "survive" Hamilton.
But would he have survived Lefebvre?

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I don't care where our players develop. I don't care.
I agree with you but he said he wants to play in the NHL.

And as far as his development is going he is probably peaking until he gets NHL experience.

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I agree with you but he said he wants to play in the NHL.

And as far as his development is going he is probably peaking until he gets NHL experience.
You're absolutely right. He's 24 years old. It's now or late.

There is an easy way around this. He doesn't have to go to Hamilton. Bring him to training, say wow he really impresses us, bring him on the team for pre-season. He probably will get chirped alot by the players, for sure, but tough it out. If he can help he can help

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they should just move the ahl team to St John's Newfoundland, great building, amazing fans but no team wants to play there cause it's too far away, one place it isn't too far away from is Montreal

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Emelin refused to go through Hamilton, worked out.
But Nygren didn't refuse. He went to Hamilton and then abandoned his team. Had he stayed in Europe we wouldn't be having this discussion because it would be like Emelin. There are Habs and Bulldogs who were there when Nygren cut and run. You don't have much respect for a teammate that does that in the middle of the season. I promise you he isn't a popular person in the Bulldogs locker room.

You think Jarred Tinordi or Greg Pateryn want him on the team just because he has a slapper? Think Dustin Tokarski is thinking, "Oh yeah, this guy is totally gonna goto war for me when he gets frightened playing in the Hammer"? Think anyone on the Bulldogs is going to endorse Nygren as a loyal teammate in Montreal?

If Nygren wants to make the Habs, he has to do it through Hamilton. He has to say, "I'm sorry, I will play in Hamilton and prove myself". Then he can see if he can earn a promotion. Any other way is a slap in the face to the team.

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Any other way is a slap in the face to the team.
Yeah, enough is enough.

Still, I hope he makes it as a 7th D or that we get any asset in return for our trouble.

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But Nygren didn't refuse. He went to Hamilton and then abandoned his team. Had he stayed in Europe we wouldn't be having this discussion because it would be like Emelin. There are Habs and Bulldogs who were there when Nygren cut and run. You don't have much respect for a teammate that does that in the middle of the season. I promise you he isn't a popular person in the Bulldogs locker room.

You think Jarred Tinordi or Greg Pateryn want him on the team just because he has a slapper? Think Dustin Tokarski is thinking, "Oh yeah, this guy is totally gonna goto war for me when he gets frightened playing in the Hammer"? Think anyone on the Bulldogs is going to endorse Nygren as a loyal teammate in Montreal?

If Nygren wants to make the Habs, he has to do it through Hamilton. He has to say, "I'm sorry, I will play in Hamilton and prove myself". Then he can see if he can earn a promotion. Any other way is a slap in the face to the team.
Yes, this is all of course, true. Yes his respect level amongst players in this organization is definatley very, very low.

However, It only matters what Bergevin decides. These situations happen in life.

Want to know something that is true as well?

No matter what. It is in our best interests to have all our players and prospects succeed.

No matter the situation. The hurdles that have to be overcome. The attitude problems. The discrepancies in moral values. The cultural differences. The clashes in personalities.

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No matter what. It is in our best interests to have all our players and prospects succeed.
And if you take a look at how Bergevin handled Danny Kristo, plus his words that the road to Montreal goes through Hamilton? Pretty clear to me how he looks at a guy like Nygren.

He was likely offering him up for a fifth round pick the other night but nobody was biting since none of the NHL GMs are Montreal Canadiens message board posters.

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And if you take a look at how Bergevin handled Danny Kristo, plus his words that the road to Montreal goes through Hamilton? Pretty clear to me how he looks at a guy like Nygren.

He was likely offering him up for a fifth round pick the other night but nobody was biting since none of the NHL GMs are Montreal Canadiens message board posters.
Yeah the Kristo trade really helped this franchise.

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Awesome Hahahahahaha. That's a wicked picture!
I don't think it's funny at all. How would you like it if someone posted a picture of you like that? And if Nygren sees it, do you think that will make him happy to play for fans that do this? ****ing internet. Just gross.

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The way I see it there will be a huge battle in training camp for the spots on D.

I think Nygren impresses but goes back to Sweden for at least one more year... too many bodies right now.
I might be wrong but I think this is Nygren's last year signed...

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IIRC there was alot of crackhead activity last summer, like people chasing pregnant women around with screwdrivers and random knife attacks.

Habs management should take better steps to making sure their prospects find decent apartments and stay out of the meth district(s).
You should work for the Hamilton tourism board.

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they should just move the ahl team to St John's Newfoundland, great building, amazing fans but no team wants to play there cause it's too far away, one place it isn't too far away from is Montreal
I would love Maritimes. Think St. John's is taken though...Bring back Halifax. If not go with Laval.

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There are Habs and Bulldogs who were there when Nygren cut and run. You don't have much respect for a teammate that does that in the middle of the season. I promise you he isn't a popular person in the Bulldogs locker room.

You think Jarred Tinordi or Greg Pateryn want him on the team just because he has a slapper? Think Dustin Tokarski is thinking, "Oh yeah, this guy is totally gonna goto war for me when he gets frightened playing in the Hammer"? Think anyone on the Bulldogs is going to endorse Nygren as a loyal teammate in Montreal?

If Nygren wants to make the Habs, he has to do it through Hamilton.
Joke. AHL are either used up former NHL players, or young guys that can earn millions in NHL. They want the best possible player on their team. How the hell do you know what Hamilton players think of him? You live in dreamland. And he 'has to do it through Hamilton'. Why? Because of a soundbite from MB that you took seriously?

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Yes, this is all of course, true. Yes his respect level amongst players in this organization is definatley very, very low.

However, It only matters what Bergevin decides. These situations happen in life.

Want to know something that is true as well?

No matter what. It is in our best interests to have all our players and prospects succeed.

No matter the situation. The hurdles that have to be overcome. The attitude problems. The discrepancies in moral values. The cultural differences. The clashes in personalities.
Great post. Realistic and understanding of the world in 2014.


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The past is in the past. Nygrem might blaze us away with his size and his skills. He's gonna turn 25 on the 7th of july. He's rocking the SEL. What more do you want ? I think the city of Hamilton and honestly Ontario in general sucks too. Who cares ? If he improves during the summer and steals a spot on the line-up, I'd be extatic. RD !

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Yeah the Habs have been burned in the past by placing too much emphasis on kids not wanting to go to their farm club. It's kind of hypocritical when you consider how much we want to woo and spoil established NHL players to get them to sign.

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