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06-29-2014, 09:29 PM
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Passing to who? Nobody on our team can hit the net. He didn't play with Schwartz and Frank. By stick handling for 30 seconds, that was 30 seconds the other team couldn't score.
Ok then maybe Perron himself should have shot and hit the net if he was so good but many times he didn't do that either.

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06-29-2014, 10:29 PM
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i personally love paajarvi, so i was pleased with the trade. paajarvi just couldn't find his rightful place in our system. i still think he could use a better chance, which he's probably going to get next year.

i hated perron, was a good player but too much of a puckhog and was not the greatest teammate from what i've heard about him. he fits in better with edmonton who have a system heavily-based on offense, and since they suck, i'd rather have perron there than here. besides, he kinda likes to trash talk the blues on his twitter sometimes. he did it a few times.

i think barbashev is a stud, so i'm really happy about the trade overall.

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06-30-2014, 12:56 AM
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Thrilled Perron is gone. Glad he's stuck in hockey hell. Hope he plays on poor teams for the rest of his career.

Putting aside my feelings about the cheap shotting, swan diving punk aside, i don't regret the trade from a team stand point either. It cleared space for us to go get a center (granted that center failed but I don't regret the move that allowed us to try) but most importantly it paved the way for Jaden Schwartz to step in as the 2nd line LW who is the PERFECT fit for this team.

The fact that EDM's 2nd turned into 1st round talent is just gravy.
1. Sorry Perron either stole your girlfriend or kicked your puppy

2. The trade still sucks


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06-30-2014, 06:58 AM
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I will start out with a couple of points.

First, we really needed a center last year. In order to free up the cap space Perron or Stewart (who had just lead the team in scoring) had to be moved. We tried to get Vinny, Weise - we are lucky we didn't wind up with either - and took up with Roy on a one year deal.

Roy failed badly at center for this team. Not sure why, but he just couldn't handle the western conference size. It was a risk, but only a 1 year deal. I think Armstrong though he would get similar production from Roy at a more important position.

We did trade Perron and while we gave up the better player, we did get a young 3rd liner (who took a good bit to learn the system and a high 2nd round pick). We GOT lucky Edmonton had a rough season and also we were able to get a great prospect at 33.

I personally think signing Morrow was a mistake. That really held MSP back. I am looking forward to see what he can do with 3rd line duties this year. If he plays more and stops that stupid wrap around then I think we will see he become a solid 3rd line that can score and use speed to attach opponents.

Personally, I think we got the best value we could at a time where teams were really trying to figure out what to do with the salary cap. There just wasn't a ton of teams with the space to make a move.

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06-30-2014, 11:09 AM
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1. Sorry Perron either stole your girlfriend or kicked your puppy

2. The trade still sucks
Care to say why it sucks?


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06-30-2014, 11:23 AM
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Care to say why it sucks?
Im curious as well.

Perron for MPS & Ivan Russian seems like 100% win to me

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06-30-2014, 08:25 PM
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I agree with gumption above - I think that Paajarvi is underrated and was under utilized last season. I'm hoping he gets more playing time and we don't end up putting guys like Ott and Morrow into the lineup.

Paajarvi was a better possession player than those guys in the few minutes we had him on the ice. I think he can make an impact with more time.

The trade only looks bad because we kind of struck out in free agency. Derek Roy was better than a lot of people gave him credit for as a PP specialist for most of the season, but it was quite a disappointment as a use for that money spent.

This season some of that Perron money will hopefully go towards signing Stastny, and we'll be happy to have some of it spent that way while being able to put Paajarvi in the lineup, and with Barbashev waiting in the wings.

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06-30-2014, 08:30 PM
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Let's be honest here, the result of the trade always hinged on the player we took with the second. I'm absolutely thrilled to have come away with Barbashev. At the time of the trade we got horrible, horrible value. Having said that, I really do think Barbashev becomes a good player so in the end I think it will be a wash at worst.

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06-30-2014, 09:13 PM
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Army still got crap value, no way around that. Their might not have been many takers, so maybe he couldn't do any better, but he should've kept Perron and traded Stewart. Stewart's value was as high as it was going to be and Perron's was at his lowest. Neither were in the long-term plans, so Stewart should've been moved to Edmonton and we would've gotten much more in return.

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06-30-2014, 09:14 PM
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Army still got crap value, no way around that. Their might not have been many takers, so maybe he couldn't do any better, but he should've kept Perron and traded Stewart. Stewart's value was as high as it was going to be and Perron's was at his lowest. Neither were in the long-term plans, so Stewart should've been moved to Edmonton and we would've gotten much more in return.
Spot on 1223. Still, if Barbashev pans out it may not be so bad in the long run.

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06-30-2014, 09:24 PM
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Barbashev by himself makes me fine with the deal, especially since he is a center. He can eventually take over for Backes and Fabbri can be the offensive #1.

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06-30-2014, 09:27 PM
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I'll be honest, I didn't expect the Oilers to be as bad as they were. I didn't think they'd be great, but I figured they'd come closer to a playoff spot.

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I get that everyone gets excited about prospects with potential, I also feel optimism, but I sort of find it strange that people are penciling in guys like Schmultz, Vannelli, Fabbri, and Barbashev for guys like Shattenkirk and Backes. It's not like the prospects are remotely close to sure fire nor are the players they are supposedly replacing dime a dozen guys.

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I get that everyone gets excited about prospects with potential, I also feel optimism, but I sort of find it strange that people are penciling in guys like Schmultz, Vannelli, Fabbri, and Barbashev for guys like Shattenkirk and Backes. It's not like the prospects are remotely close to sure fire nor are the players they are supposedly replacing dime a dozen guys.
Well it's years down the road, not anytime close, so that adds some context. Shattenkirk is easier than Backes because when Shatty's contract is up, he can either resign at a discount or he is going to straight up get overpaid in a massive way. If Niskanen is going to get 5+, I don't even want to think about what Shattenkirk would get on the open market. Backes will be here as long as he wants.

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Yea, predicting things three years ahead of time in the NHL is absurd. Sure, with any given player, you might be able to project an accurate development arc, but for the most part, three years changes a lot. For example, three years ago, Daniel Sedin was the league's leading scorer and D'Agostini just had a 46 point season for the Blues - one point fewer than Sedin had this season. Only half of the Blues' roster is intact from three years ago. When Shattenkirk's contract is up, we're most likely talking about a new team in a new situation and a new salary cap.

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Well it's years down the road, not anytime close, so that adds some context. Shattenkirk is easier than Backes because when Shatty's contract is up, he can either resign at a discount or he is going to straight up get overpaid in a massive way. If Niskanen is going to get 5+, I don't even want to think about what Shattenkirk would get on the open market. Backes will be here as long as he wants.
I get that Shatty might price himself out and Backes will eventually wear down. The time for both those to happen at the earliest are a few years off. Thus, we have time for the prospects to develop. So I most certainly agree on that front.

That is not my point though. I am more concerned that our fans are working under the assumptions that these prospects will make the NHL (less of a concern) and that they will be able to replace the production of our top players. That is putting some lofty aspirations on some very ripe kids.

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True, and I get that. It's important to keep realistic expectations, and I can already tell Barbashev will get overrated by Blues fans on this board. Also, when experts compare him to Kesler, it's hard not to get excited, but its important to stay realistic, there were reasons he fell and we didn't trade back up.

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Two words....Denny Felsner. Potential is great, but what happens in the game is what matters. I recall the Cardinals having their future 30 home run a season guy in Hector Cruz too. (brother of Jose, whom we never should've traded) He wore out our warning track, if he didn't strike out......

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I love that the Blues took Barbashev, and the selections of he and Fabbri is reminiscent of the Schwartz and Tarasenko selections a couple of years ago. But it shows a complete lack of hockey knowledge to call the trade a win. Barbashev hasn't stepped foot in the NHL yet for all the potential he does have. I'm sure Edmonton was thrilled to draft Paajarvi in the 1st round when they got him. He's a pressbox filler at this point. So far for David Perron, the Blues got a nothing and a maybe. Even if you didn't like his playing style or his penalties, one would assume they could've gotten more for him especially if they didn't panic trade him when his value was down to clear room for some useless ex-Dallas Stars.

This is what scares me about today's events. If Plan A fails and we don't get our center in free agency and now that Spezza is in Dallas, Armstrong may panic again.

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I love that the Blues took Barbashev, and the selections of he and Fabbri is reminiscent of the Schwartz and Tarasenko selections a couple of years ago. But it shows a complete lack of hockey knowledge to call the trade a win. Barbashev hasn't stepped foot in the NHL yet for all the potential he does have. I'm sure Edmonton was thrilled to draft Paajarvi in the 1st round when they got him. He's a pressbox filler at this point. So far for David Perron, the Blues got a nothing and a maybe. Even if you didn't like his playing style or his penalties, one would assume they could've gotten more for him especially if they didn't panic trade him when his value was down to clear room for some useless ex-Dallas Stars.

This is what scares me about today's events. If Plan A fails and we don't get our center in free agency and now that Spezza is in Dallas, Armstrong may panic again.
Well hopefully this doesn't happen. But if it does, JR says the Blues have "backup plans A, B, C and D". He says they are going to do something today.

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Well hopefully this doesn't happen. But if it does, JR says the Blues have "backup plans A, B, C and D". He says they are going to do something today.
True, the easiest way for this to go is that Stastny signs with the Blues, and the center question is answered.

The Blues are in the position of having to land a center today. The league knows it. A desperation move scares the hell out of me today because if things don't start breaking right, remaining inactive doesn't seem to be an option. I'd much rather not find out what Plan D is because I suspect it would either mean saying goodbye to Rattie for a minimal upgrade or bringing in a player that we will be complaining about by December.

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Well hopefully this doesn't happen. But if it does, JR says the Blues have "backup plans A, B, C and D". He says they are going to do something today.
According to Renaud Lavoie, those backup plans include Dave Bolland. That's doing something alright. Something really ****ing stupid.

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