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04-02-2007, 03:50 PM
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Ryan Hollweg responsible for Islanders tank job?

Ryan Hollweg, by taking that cheap shot, has also taken one for the team! Since Simon nailed him with the stick, the Islanders have been in a free-fall. Imagine if that hit never happened, do you think the Isles would be where they are now in the standings? Or do you think they just ran out of gas?

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Simon was responsible. That is all.

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Simon was a huge part of that team, but the DiPietro injury was really the nail in the coffin for the Islanders. If DiPietro doesn't get himself hurt being an idiot, the Islanders are still in this thing.

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i would couple that incident with dp going down

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i would couple that incident with dp going down
Have to agree. Isles are nothing minus DP.

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Have to agree. Isles are nothing minus DP.
This is very true. DP was the team. The simon hit was the beginning of the end, though.

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The team...

has no goaltending without a healthy Dipietro. They'd easily be in playoff position if he didn't get a concussion.

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Actually, everything went south for the Isles when Yashin returned to the lineup.

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Ryan Hollweg, by taking that cheap shot, has also taken one for the team! Since Simon nailed him with the stick, the Islanders have been in a free-fall. Imagine if that hit never happened, do you think the Isles would be where they are now in the standings? Or do you think they just ran out of gas?
I think it's a combination of that, and thier new mascot Barney..or Sparkey...or whatever!!!

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Actually, there is a bit of truth in all of the responses above.

However, the bottom line is that the Islanders are responsible for their fate.

Just as NYR is responsible for their own fate over the last month.

Isles didn't get it done. NYR has.

And injuries are a fine excuse but they are just that. A fine excuse.

We can all BS for 6+ months of a marathon season, but at the end the standings don't lie. You are either playing post April 8th, playing in the season that means most...or you are one of 14 losers who are not. Black and white. No moral victories here.

And, of course, fans of teams on the outside spend the next several months in a mode of victimization, finger-pointing, scapegoating and blame. Which is why the NYI board is currently an insufferable place to be and one of which I will not be part for the time being.

In the meantime, congratuations to you and your team. This surge has been nothing short of phenomenal. In September, I picked NYR to finish 6th and win at least a round. That prediction holds.


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I think the Islanders could have made the PO's without Simon.

DP going down ended the season.

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As an Isles fan lurking around and stumbled in here, I think most of you guys are hitting the nail on the head. I don't think it was the Hollweg/Simon incident that did them in though. If anything, it was a former NY Ranger by the name of Mike Dunham, who let in something like 24 goals in 4 games after DiPi went down. That and constant defensive miscues that DiPietro would stop, but Dunham didn't.

Simon wasn't much help on the ice, but he apparently brought alot of leadership to the team...which probably hurt the Isles in some capacity. As for Yashin, he had no ill effect on the team's demise. In fact, over the past 5 games, he's played very hard and seemed to fit in well with his linemates.

It basically just comes down to the loss of DiPietro, and the Isles inability to move on without him.

Good luck to you guys tomorrow.

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Whats the Isles record since the Simon incident??

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I think the Islanders could have made the PO's without Simon.

DP going down ended the season.
Way too simplistic, IMO. No doubt, Dipietro is the teams' MVP. And Simon is not. And Dipietro's superb play hid all season a defensively deficient team that features fringe NHL dmen like Campoli and Meyers and such reliable "backchecking" forwards as Kozlov and Captain Courageous.

But this team has played fangless (non-aggressive) hockey coinciding with the Simon incident. He gave other guys "cover". That is to say, Simon, the player, is certainly not great, or anything like it. However, his role/impact on the team was much greater than stats might suggest, especially this time of the year. His own coach and teammates have admitted as much.

It funny, really. First half of the year, when NYI and NYR were meeting, Isles were the aggressive team, NYR the team that seemingly lacked toughness and heart. Since then, the EXACT OPPOSITE. Sather gets A LOT of credit for that, IMO. (Much as it may hurt some NYR fans to acknowledge that. )


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As an Isles fan lurking around and stumbled in here, I think most of you guys are hitting the nail on the head. I don't think it was the Hollweg/Simon incident that did them in though. If anything, it was a former NY Ranger by the name of Mike Dunham, who let in something like 24 goals in 4 games after DiPi went down. That and constant defensive miscues that DiPietro would stop, but Dunham didn't.

Simon wasn't much help on the ice, but he apparently brought alot of leadership to the team...which probably hurt the Isles in some capacity. As for Yashin, he had no ill effect on the team's demise. In fact, over the past 5 games, he's played very hard and seemed to fit in well with his linemates.

It basically just comes down to the loss of DiPietro, and the Isles inability to move on without him.

Good luck to you guys tomorrow.

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This is exactly why I made this thread! Good stuff, guys!

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Ryan Hollweg, by taking that cheap shot, has also taken one for the team! Since Simon nailed him with the stick, the Islanders have been in a free-fall. Imagine if that hit never happened, do you think the Isles would be where they are now in the standings? Or do you think they just ran out of gas?
the biggest reason is DP getting hurt...the end

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Avery is probably more of a reason... by "falling" on DiPi's head.

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Whats the Isles record since the Simon incident??

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3-7-2 since the Simon incident.

The big telling stat...of those 12 games since the Simon incident:

When DiPietro started (6 games), the Isles went 3-1-2 with 14 goals against/17 goals for (that 1 loss was the Simon-Hollweg game)

When Dunham started (5 games), the Isles went 0-5-0 with 27 goals against/15 goals for.

When Dubielewicz started (1 game), the Isles went 0-1-0 with 5 goals against/2 goals for.

Yep, Dunham sucks...and I guarantee he will get another contract since he's best buds with Garth Snow!

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Way too simplistic, IMO. No doubt, Dipietro is the teams' MVP. And Simon is not. And Dipietro's superb play hid all season a defensively deficient team that features fringe NHL dmen like Campoli and Meyers and such reliable "backchecking" forwards as Kozlov and Captain Courageous.

But this team has played fangless (non-aggressive) hockey coinciding with the Simon incident. He gave other guys "cover". That is to say, Simon, the player, is certainly not great, or anything like it. However, his role/impact on the team was much greater than stats might suggest, especially this time of the year. His own coach and teammates have admitted as much.

It funny, really. First half of the year, when NYI and NYR were meeting, Isles were the aggressive team, NYR the team that seemingly lacked toughness and heart. Since then, the EXACT OPPOSITE. Sather gets A LOT of credit for that, IMO. (Much as it may hurt some NYR fans to acknowledge that. )
That's a good point, Trotts. Would this have anything to do with things like Jason Blake's outbursts towards the trade deadline, too? I mean, the guy is a bundle of energy and one of the Islanders' most important forwards -- it must have been galling for his teammates to hear him say he suddenly wanted out, even if he recanted.

As for Slats, I think a lot of us are starting to give him credit (some of it begrudgingly...).

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The downfall of the Islanders began in that 5-4 OT win against the Flyers. They were up 5-2 in the third, became sloppy and sqeaked the win out in OT on a Hunter PP goal. This was Zednik's first game.

Next the loss on the day of the deadline to St. Louis definetly hurt. Up 2-0 with 138 to go and let them tie the game. Then DP makes mental error in OT and it costs the Isles the game.

Then they played the Rangers at the garden and the only player who showed up was Rick DiPietro.

Then at the colesieum the swing by Chris Simon is what began the downfall. Luck was not on their side as resulting in the PP goal by Prucha following the controversial non-goal.

At that point all it took was DP making that regretable play to keep Begin from getting a breakaway and that was the season right there.

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The Islanders were responsible for their tank job as they weren't good to start from.

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Simon did have 6 goals in his last 8 games

but...

if anyone is responsible it's Steve Begin

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