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LD Haydn Fleury - Red Deer Rebels, WHL (2014, 7th overall, Carolina)

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06-27-2014, 10:43 PM
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My gut feeling say Carolina takes him at 7.
And your gut was correct. +1 for that gut.

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06-28-2014, 07:13 AM
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So how about a Fleury/Faulk pairing one day?
Love the idea of possibly, as long as we can retain Sekera, rolling this out in a few years:

Sekera - Faulk
Fleury - Murphy
2 of Slavin, Carrick, Pesce, Biega, Lowe

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06-28-2014, 01:15 PM
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Love the idea of possibly, as long as we can retain Sekera, rolling this out in a few years:

Sekera - Faulk
Fleury - Murphy
2 of Slavin, Carrick, Pesce, Biega, Lowe
People still have hope for Biega?

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06-28-2014, 02:11 PM
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A ton of talent, but I really feel this kid was a reach.

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06-28-2014, 02:20 PM
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A ton of talent, but I really feel this kid was a reach.
I guess you and I have a different definition of "reach". To me, a reach is selecting a guy much higher than he was projected to go.

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So for the most part, he was expected to go 7-10 and he went 7 so in no way is it a reach. Now, if you want to thought somebody else (Nylander for instance) would have been a better choice, then that's fine but it's hard to call a guy a reach when he was selected where he was projected to go.

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06-28-2014, 03:48 PM
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People still have hope for Biega?
That he can be top 4? no, not really. That he could be a #5 or #6? Sure, why not.

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People still have hope for Biega?
Why not? What's the story here? He's just 22 years old age player...

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07-20-2014, 10:06 PM
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Will the 2014 draft turn out to be the worst move in a long time by Carolina?

Carolina picked Hayden Fleury at 7. Then the next 3 guys were Nylander, Ehlers, and Ritchie. Fleury to me screams a luke Schenn type of pick, and the 3 picked after all have the potential to be huge superstars in the league, and maybe be some of the best players out of this draft.

will we look back on this draft choice and facepalm in a few years?

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07-20-2014, 10:08 PM
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Organizational need over BPA. Dont agree, but lets give it some time before we judge Fleury considering its been less than a month since the draft...

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Organizational need over BPA. Dont agree, but lets give it some time before we judge Fleury considering its been less than a month since the draft...
Obviously only time will tell, I m looking for predictions. Do you think he will be a solid D, and these guys could break out? Could be an interesting thread to re read a few years from now.

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07-20-2014, 10:11 PM
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Satisfied an organizational need with a worthy top 10 pick, imo. Remember what people said when Hampus Lindholm was taken? No issues with this pick - Carolina did the right thing.

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07-20-2014, 10:12 PM
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Carolina needed a Defenseman. I agree that he would have gone lower if the circumstances were different.

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Carolina picked Hayden Fleury at 7. Then the next 3 guys were Nylander, Ehlers, and Ritchie. Fleury to me screams a luke Schenn type of pick, and the 3 picked after all have the potential to be huge superstars in the league, and maybe be some of the best players out of this draft.

will we look back on this draft choice and facepalm in a few years?
Flrury has a much better offensive game at the same age as Schenn. I'm not sure why Ehlers, Nylander and Ritchie can be superstars, but Fleury is lumped with Luke Schenn.

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07-20-2014, 10:16 PM
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While calling it a "Luke Schenn pick" is a bit much, I am also not high on Fleury. He was my fifth ranked defender in the draft.

I don't think he's very dynamic. And while he should be a relatively safe player in terms of bust potential...I don't ever see him being a full package player. I think they drafted a second pairing defender here. Not terrible, but I'd be more inclined to take a player that, imo, has more potential when I'm inside the top 10.

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Carolina needed a Defenseman. I agree that he would have gone lower if the circumstances were different.
Circumstances can change drastically in the 2-4 years before he is ready (if he is ever ready). It should always be BPA - always.

That being said, who the hell knows. He could end up the best player in the draft too. 200 players could. You just never know.

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07-20-2014, 10:28 PM
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I don't think teams should draft for need, should always go bpa. The pick was a reach and probably will underdeliver for that spot but we'll just have to wait to find out.

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07-20-2014, 10:34 PM
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It is not like Nylander, Ehlers and Richie are can't miss prospects. It is not like they completely reached for the guy either. The only reason I am not a big fan of Fleury is that I just don't see him possessing elite potential and that is something you want with a top 10 pick.

I really like some of their other picks. Foegele, Wallmark seem like high potential forward prospects, Nedeljkovic was my 3rd ranked goalie in the draft only trailing McDonald (2nd) and Demko (1st). They had a good draft.

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07-20-2014, 10:36 PM
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His skating and first pass are miles a head of schenn at the same age. I personally think it is a great pick!

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07-20-2014, 10:38 PM
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Lindholm was considered a pretty huge reach in 2012. Stop looking at online rankings to make judgements.

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Circumstances can change drastically in the 2-4 years before he is ready (if he is ever ready). It should always be BPA - always.

That being said, who the hell knows. He could end up the best player in the draft too. 200 players could. You just never know.
This!

The NHL draft is a crapshoot every year. Patrik Stefan, Alexander Daigle, Pavel Brendl.

Nikita Filatov was taken just after the poor lamented Luke Schenn. Who would you rather have now?

Patrik Stefan was taken 1st and the Sedins were taken when that year?
Alexander Daigle number 1. Chris Pronger number 2.

Look where Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Henrik Lundquist were taken.

Sometimes it's the scouting staff, sometime the player doesn't pan out or sometimes the player is a late bloomer.

Best player available is based on what exactly? How do you truly measure it? You can say we are going to draft the tallest player available and go out and do it. Best player available is an interpretation of all data available which is what all the scouts use to make the picks noted above. Who says Haydn Fleury "wasn't" the best player available and just happened to be a D-Man.

Not defending the pick, just saying too many variables exist and not a month has passed since the draft. No drafted player has proven anything on an NHL level yet.

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Carolina picked Hayden Fleury at 7. Then the next 3 guys were Nylander, Ehlers, and Ritchie. Fleury to me screams a luke Schenn type of pick, and the 3 picked after all have the potential to be huge superstars in the league, and maybe be some of the best players out of this draft.

will we look back on this draft choice and facepalm in a few years?
lmfao.

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07-20-2014, 11:42 PM
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lmfao.
What? It's true. Just because a prospect wasn't picked top 5 doesn't mean he can't become a superstar...

I wouldn't say Ritchie has superstar potential though, but he does have big upside as a rare true PWF. Thought the canes would have taken him over Fleury but w/e

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fleury will be the 3rd best player from this draft after ekblad + reinhart imo. fleury will be like a bouwmeester who can hit. solid pick by the canes

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Carolina picked Hayden Fleury at 7. Then the next 3 guys were Nylander, Ehlers, and Ritchie. Fleury to me screams a luke Schenn type of pick, and the 3 picked after all have the potential to be huge superstars in the league, and maybe be some of the best players out of this draft.

will we look back on this draft choice and facepalm in a few years?
none of them have played a single game since being drafted, lets weight until they atleast play a pick up game

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In this case (since Nylander, Ehlers and Ritchie have the potential to be 'huge superstars), why single out Carolina? Wouldn't Florida, Buffalo, Edmonton, Calgary, the Islanders and Vancouver be facepalming too for passing up mega stars William Nylander, Nikolaj Ehlers and Nick Ritchie? Or is everyone else in the top 10 besides Fleury destined for the HOF?

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