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04-04-2007, 12:00 AM
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pock or rachunek

watched a lot of the game tonight and to me, pock was the best defenseman on the ice, which brings me to...would you ranger fans rather have pock sit when rachunek comes back or let rachunek be the 7th defenseman?

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Id prefer Pock over Rachunek. I think he brings more defensively and commits fewer blunders.

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POCK!
Once he was given steady time to play he has gotten better & better!

I always saw Rachunek as a 7th defensemen, a bandaid in case of an injury. Although he was playing excellent until he got hurt to. But Pock has to stay!

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watched a lot of the game tonight and to me, pock was the best defenseman on the ice, which brings me to...would you ranger fans rather have pock sit when rachunek comes back or let rachunek be the 7th defenseman?
id rather let Malik be the 7th dman and play Rachunek and Pock.

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04-04-2007, 12:28 AM
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id rather let Malik be the 7th dman and play Rachunek and Pock.
true, could do pock - rozsival, rachunek - mara, tyutin - girardi

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id rather let Malik be the 7th dman and play Rachunek and Pock.
As brutal as Malik can be, I think he makes more smaller errors while Rachunek makes fewer bigger ones. It's kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't between those two...

But to answer the original question: Pck.

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im a big fan of Pock.

but i like Rachuneks game a bit more.

Rachunek

im sure ill get crucified for this, but thats ok.

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I'd also go with Rachunek.

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pock,
overall slightly and especially rachunek coming back from an injury.


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I've been a critic of Pock in the past, and he's had some brutal performances this year, but it looks like he's growing up out there. He played a very good game last night. He wasn't switched to D until his college years, so I can see why its been such an adjustment for him... looks like the patience is paying off.

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a player should not lose his spot because of injury!!!!

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a player should not lose his spot because of injury!!!!
yep, thats a good point. If we are going to build with youth AND just play the guys that play the best...then we must stick with Pock.

More than that, to have a better D next season, we must make room for Pock and Staal in the lineup. That means getting rid of Rachunek and someone like Malik.

Next season I would like to see:

Tyutin - Staal
Mara - Girardi
Pock - Rozsival/Baranka

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Next season I would like to see:

Tyutin - Staal
Mara - Girardi
Pock - Rozsival/Baranka
When you factor in the injury to Tyutin, Roszival has been our most consistant dman all season. No way does he become a 6th/7th guy. Pock should be rotated in and out long before Rosie. And don't forget that Staal will probably start the season in the AHL unless he has a dominant camp, and then could be eased into the lineup once he makes it to MSG.

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a player should not lose his spot because of injury!!!!
Tell that to Drew Bledsoe.

It's a nice line, but it's just not realistic.

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watched a lot of the game tonight and to me, pock was the best defenseman on the ice, which brings me to...would you ranger fans rather have pock sit when rachunek comes back or let rachunek be the 7th defenseman?
I'd rather let Strudwick sit.

Has anyone heard about Rachunek? I heard that Tytutin is close and Hossa as getting closer but nothing about Rachunek.

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Tell that to Drew Bledsoe.

It's a nice line, but it's just not realistic.
Or Kevin Weekes, had he not gone down with an injury early in the season last year we may have not got a chance to see Lundqvist play for sometime.

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Or Kevin Weekes, had he not gone down with an injury early in the season last year we may have not got a chance to see Lundqvist play for sometime.
Yeah. Can't believe I didn't think of that one.

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When you factor in the injury to Tyutin, Roszival has been our most consistant dman all season. No way does he become a 6th/7th guy. Pock should be rotated in and out long before Rosie. And don't forget that Staal will probably start the season in the AHL unless he has a dominant camp, and then could be eased into the lineup once he makes it to MSG.
I like Rozsival, but he is a bit overrated. He is a solid dman, but he does not belong on the 1st pair...not sure if he belongs on the 2nd pair either.

As for Staal, from watching him play in pre-season, he is ready. I think that he would have been able to play for the Rangers even this season. He is solid defensively and very mature, so I dont think there would be any problems with him starting the season with us. I'd rather he starts with us from Game 1 and gets experience and ice time...then gets thrown to the wolves in Game 61 and has to face a ton of pressure and no ice time.

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Tell that to Drew Bledsoe.

It's a nice line, but it's just not realistic.
Exactly... plus, it wouldn't be solely because of injury.

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I like Rozsival, but he is a bit overrated. He is a solid dman, but he does not belong on the 1st pair...not sure if he belongs on the 2nd pair either.

As for Staal, from watching him play in pre-season, he is ready. I think that he would have been able to play for the Rangers even this season. He is solid defensively and very mature, so I dont think there would be any problems with him starting the season with us. I'd rather he starts with us from Game 1 and gets experience and ice time...then gets thrown to the wolves in Game 61 and has to face a ton of pressure and no ice time.
With regard to Roszival, I never said that he should be a 1 or 2, I said that he doesn't deserve to be 6 or 7. Personally I think he's a perfect 2nd pairing defenseman.

And as for Staal, how can you say that he's ready based on the past preseason? He still hasn't played above Juniors; there's no way of knowing yet whether or not he's ready to be an NHL regular. I'm not saying that he's not, just that you can't definitively say that he is.

And making the team doesn't mean that he has to be a regular starter from day 1. Who knows, he might get off to a great start and never look back, but if he makes the team and Renney eases him into the lineup through November, I certainly wouldn't complain.

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Probably Pck as he is healthy.
It however needs to be day to day thing here *I strongly feel.
And also depending on what team you are facing. I would also set the lineup on D the rest of the year based on past performance, practice and players present physical state. Pck is healthy and has been part of the serious run put up here - although he does have flaws on D - he has scored some key goals as of late.

Although sitting Malik might sound like a sweeter tune in most ears - we all also know ithat it is just not gonna happen. No fairness or reason here - just a fact from the Renney camp. And he is an incredble +31 in plus/minus (9th in the league). So - I would expect the defensive pairs to be as follows the rest of the year:

Malik - Roz
Mara - Tyutin (if he is OK)
Girardi - Pck/Rachunek

After the season - I would

Not resign Rachunek or Pck
Go after Souray in a big way (5 M)
Trade Malik, Immonen and Dawes for prospects/picks or bottom pairing defensive guy

The defense of:

Souray - Tyutin
Mara - Girardi
Rozie - Staal

An extra D - probably acquired through a pending Malik trade + Baranka... as backups (if Staal is not ready and barring injuries) is a necessity

sure looks good in my eyes
Real good - on paper at least

Beats having Ozo, Kaspar and Ward on the blueline


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Rachunek.

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true, could do pock - rozsival, rachunek - mara, tyutin - girardi
That is easily the best possible defensive lineup heading into the playoffs.

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As brutal as Malik can be, I think he makes more smaller errors while Rachunek makes fewer bigger ones. It's kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't between those two...

But to answer the original question: Pck.
I don't know bigger mistake you can make beyond goals against, and right now Malik is a giant mistake-machine on the left side. Example: The Eager goal and any of the 4 goals against in the Montreal game... which he managed to escape with an even +- rating. He couldn't make one safe pass last night, constantly bobbled the puck and routinely missed it when under pressure during pursuit. Easily our worst D-man last night.

Rodent has a great piece on him today (http://hockeyrodent.com/) and he is someone that has been pretty fair towards him all season. He is playing dumb hockey right now and it isn't right for someone like Pock to sit before Malik does.

And you have to appreciate the irony of Pock playing well when he was finally given the minutes and the starts (I could be talking about so many players with that statement too) because he will be doing this somewhere else next year. Renney refused to give Pock a decent shot which resulted in the failure to reach his minimum games played requirement. Once that scenerio became an impossibility, Renney's hand was forced by injury to finally play Thomas. And play he has, other teams are noticing and he'll take any dollar amount to simply get his playing time.

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Earlier in the year, Rachunek.

Now, Pock.

Rachunek is just so horribly awful 1 on 1. Pock can handle himself though.

I don't care how good a shot Rachunek has if he can't play defense. Imo, he was playing horribly before he got hurt.

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