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07-15-2014, 11:37 AM
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Green to Edmonton

With Washington signing Niskanen, and already having Carlson as a RHD, plus the signing of Orpik and having Alzner, is Green on his way out? What would it take to get Green to Edmonton considering he is a UFA at the end of the season?

To Edmonton: Green

To Washington: Petry, Gernet, 2nd rd pick

It's a roster player, okay prospect and a pick. Can Washington expect much more with only one year left on his contract?

The other issue is if Green waives to come to Edmonton. While it isn't a market many players want to go to, it is just for one season, then he can pick any team he wants to go to. If Edmonton is out of the playoffs and he does not plan on resigning by the trade deadline, he will have a chance for a cup anyway.

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07-15-2014, 11:43 AM
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Washington has no pressing need to move Green. They're currently cap compliant, and there's not much use for additional cap space at the moment given that the free agent market is pretty picked over (especially at center, where the team needs the most help). While I like Jeff Petry a lot, he's no an upgrade over Green. Unless the Capitals have another trade lined up that requires the ~$3M in cap space this frees, I'd pass. Makes the Capitals a worse team, and the quality of futures aren't good enough to warrant that.

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At this point in their careers Petry is a better defenceman then Green. Unless I logged onto hfboards 2009 edition?

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I'd rather keep Petry, Gernat and the 2nd, Green holds no interest to me and I dont think he's what the Oilers need.

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I think it's a solid offer, and one i would take from Caps POV as i can't see Green resigning here next summer.

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I'd rather keep Petry, Gernat and the 2nd, Green holds no interest to me and I dont think he's what the Oilers need.
The offense the Oilers got from their blueline last year was horrendous. Schultz gave them 33 points, and will probably trend upwards this year, but the 2nd best point producer was Ference with a whole 18 points. Another offensive option is a necessity, especially if Schultz misses any games. None of their new additions can be expected to provide much of anything offensively.

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At this point in their careers Petry is a better defenceman then Green. Unless I logged onto hfboards 2009 edition?

Green is a possession monster who still provides quality production at both even-strength and on the powerplay.

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I think it's a solid offer, and one i would take from Caps POV as i can't see Green resigning here next summer.
Petry only has one year remaining on his contract, as well.

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07-15-2014, 11:53 AM
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Caps aren't under any pressure to trade Green. At this point, he's a luxury, but he's a luxury they can afford to keep unless the right deal comes along. If they do trade him, what they need more than anything is a 2C. What they need after that is a 2LW. What they might possibly need after that is an NHL-proven depth defenseman on a cheap contract to replace Green on the roster. What they absolutely don't need are picks and prospects.

Looking at EDM's roster, the only really appealing piece is Perron, who fits the Caps' 2LW need. Petry would also be great in terms of a third-pairing defenseman on a cheaper contract (which is only for one year after which's he's a UFA). But that also means the Caps would be trading away one of their most valuable trade assets and NOT getting a 2C in the bargain.

That sounds like a lot to ask from EDM, considering what the Caps are willing to part with. If there's something significant that the Caps could add to Green (picks? prospects? roster players like 2RW Brouwer or a young 2C like Johansson?) to get Perron + Petry, then it's worth discussing. If not, there's no trade to be had here, unfortunately.

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petry is better than green? you are going to have to explain that.

green wanting to resign with the capitals has everything to do with the role and the ice time that trotz will assign to green. the only reason to keep green is as the caps #1 offensive situations defenseman.

I think too many people are jumping to the conclusion that niskanen is going to get that ice time and I am far from convinced.

the capitals were adding defensemen during the ufa period and not replacing them.

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Once again, if Green's being moved it's probably only going to be for a 2 C

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Petry only has one year remaining on his contract, as well.
My bad. I thought he was RFA next summer still but as he is UFA i'm far less interested in that deal.

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Once again, if Green's being moved it's probably only going to be for a 2 C
Done. Weiss for Green.

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Caps aren't under any pressure to trade Green. At this point, he's a luxury, but he's a luxury they can afford to keep unless the right deal comes along. If they do trade him, what they need more than anything is a 2C. What they need after that is a 2LW. What they might possibly need after that is an NHL-proven depth defenseman on a cheap contract to replace Green on the roster. What they absolutely don't need are picks and prospects.

Looking at EDM's roster, the only really appealing piece is Perron, who fits the Caps' 2LW need. Petry would also be great in terms of a third-pairing defenseman on a cheaper contract (which is only for one year after which's he's a UFA). But that also means the Caps would be trading away one of their most valuable trade assets and NOT getting a 2C in the bargain.

That sounds like a lot to ask from EDM, considering what the Caps are willing to part with. If there's something significant that the Caps could add to Green (picks? prospects? roster players like 2RW Brouwer or a young 2C like Johansson?) to get Perron + Petry, then it's worth discussing. If not, there's no trade to be had here, unfortunately.
Something around Petry + Perron for Green and Johansson is something that potentially helps both teams. Johansson provides the Oilers with improvement up the middle for the coming season until Draisaitl is ready in future years. When that happens, the Oilers either have a choice to move one of them, or switch one to the wing. C's convert to W quite easily, so that isn't a huge concern.

This would create an issue for the Oilers on the W for the coming season, but gives them long term depth up the middle, and a top pairing D this season which they badly need. I think it helps more than it hurts them.

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Something around Petry + Perron for Green and Johansson is something that potentially helps both teams. Johansson provides the Oilers with improvement up the middle for the coming season until Draisaitl is ready in future years. When that happens, the Oilers either have a choice to move one of them, or switch one to the wing. C's convert to W quite easily, so that isn't a huge concern.

This would create an issue for the Oilers on the W for the coming season, but gives them long term depth up the middle, and a top pairing D this season which they badly need. I think it helps more than it hurts them.
I think most Caps fans would absolutely agree to Green + Mojo for Perron + Petry.

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Done. Weiss for Green.
How much salary are you retaining and what are you adding?

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I think most Caps fans would absolutely agree to Green + Mojo for Perron + Petry.
the Caps need wingers?

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the Caps need wingers?
It seems generally agreed among us that yes, a 2LW is a need if we're looking to make a push this year and next. Not as pressing as a 2C, but it is a need--unless we want to rush yet another kid into the NHL when he should be playing in the AHL.

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I think most Caps fans would absolutely agree to Green + Mojo for Perron + Petry.
And I doubt most Oiler fans would.

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With Washington signing Niskanen, and already having Carlson as a RHD, plus the signing of Orpik and having Alzner, is Green on his way out? What would it take to get Green to Edmonton considering he is a UFA at the end of the season?

To Edmonton: Green

To Washington: Petry, Gernet, 2nd rd pick

It's a roster player, okay prospect and a pick. Can Washington expect much more with only one year left on his contract?

The other issue is if Green waives to come to Edmonton. While it isn't a market many players want to go to, it is just for one season, then he can pick any team he wants to go to. If Edmonton is out of the playoffs and he does not plan on resigning by the trade deadline, he will have a chance for a cup anyway.
And this helps Washington how? Washington needs a #2 center they don't need another defenseman in Petry and Gernets not a #2 center. Why would Washington take this deal Detroit will offer better.

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And this helps Washington how? Washington needs a #2 center they don't need another defenseman in Petry and Gernets not a #2 center. Why would Washington take this deal Detroit will offer better.
Look, they are going with Kuznetsov as 2c. Unless he completely sucks it up first half the season... which I highly doubt... that's our 2c. Burkavosky is a LW who was labeled close after last years camp. I know many want to say that is not possible or likely but I see them (assuming he has another good camp) to start the season and see how he does. Got to think Trotz will see that we have too many RW's and moves Ovechkin back to LW which is his natural preferred spot and well we are not bad off on LW or RW and Kuznetsov at 2c ... sounds like they are going to give these younger guys the reins which I think needs to be done. Will be fun watching Burakovsky and Kuznetsov flying around and seeing Wilson play with Ovechkin and Backstrom and open up a ton of space for them. Caps have the players to fill the holes many just dont want to see it yet because they would be using a few younger guys.


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And I doubt most Oiler fans would.
Why not from an Oilers POV? Top pairing D is what we are missing the most, followed by #2C. This move would cover both of their biggest needs.

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It seems generally agreed among us that yes, a 2LW is a need if we're looking to make a push this year and next. Not as pressing as a 2C, but it is a need--unless we want to rush yet another kid into the NHL when he should be playing in the AHL.
not seeing it. the Caps have Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Johansson, Brouwer, Laich, Fehr and Wilson. All capable of playing wing one of the top two lines.

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not seeing it.
OK then.

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Why not from an Oilers POV? Top pairing D is what we are missing the most, followed by #2C. This move would cover both of their biggest needs.
We need Perron and what he brings to the team more than we need Johansson, we have stop gaps we can use at #2C until Draisaitl is ready to step up to the NHL or we can go the free agency route and find a temporary solution there. Green is not a top pairing dman anymore and would get absolutely lit up on the Oilers, he might give us a little more offense but I would rather have a more defensively sound option on the back end.

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