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07-15-2014, 09:12 AM
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I would be very happy with this lineup once you realised you accidentally put Orpik and Alzner in the wrong places
Not saying I don't agree with you on Alzner I am saying this will be something they start off doing... mainly because they wont want to show they paid 5.5 mil per season for a bottom 6 d man

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07-15-2014, 10:00 AM
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Not saying I don't agree with you on Alzner I am saying this will be something they start off doing... mainly because they wont want to show they paid 5.5 mil per season for a bottom 6 d man
How many defensemen do you think play, exactly?

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07-15-2014, 10:46 AM
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How many defensemen do you think play, exactly?
This it was pretty clear when I posted the 6 d men in the lineup

meaning bottom of the 6

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07-15-2014, 10:52 AM
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Not saying I don't agree with you on Alzner I am saying this will be something they start off doing... mainly because they wont want to show they paid 5.5 mil per season for a bottom 6 d man
Looking at capgeek someone on the bottom pair is going to be earning upwards of 4 mill, next season is going to be interesting

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Looking at capgeek someone on the bottom pair is going to be earning upwards of 4 mill, next season is going to be interesting
Yeah definitely have money invested in all 6 dmen for sure...but this is the first time I can remember having this good problem to have

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Looking at capgeek someone on the bottom pair is going to be earning upwards of 4 mill, next season is going to be interesting
defensemen are expensive. its not that interesting. I think its been done before. I bet there are numerous 3 line forwards making top 6 money too.

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07-15-2014, 11:06 AM
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I agree with some of what you're saying.

I don't think Caps have immediate need at LW. I don't think Ovi at RW is for long (maybe even not until the regular season starts) and Trotz said that he'll start at him at RW and "we'll see". Well, I think he'll see very soon

Ovechkin - Backstrom - Johansson (or Johansson - Backstrom - Ovechkin)
Laich - Kuznetsov - Brouwer

Is that second line good? No. But I think the right way to address it is to put Kuznetsov or Brouwer on wings and then acquire a center. C is a weakness here, not LW. The fact that we have Laich at 2 LW here is a result of trying to cover up for that weakness at C.
Left wing is absolutely as weakness as well. There's no guarantee Laich is going to be healthy, and forcing all three of Johansson, Kuznetsov, and Laich into the top six means 3C is an issue again, as well (Eric Fehr is not a center). Not to mention that the 90-19-8 line left a lot to be desired at even strength. Even if you move Ovechkin to left wing (which is far from a guarantee), this team would look immensely improved with another bona fide top six winger in the line-up. Best case scenario right now, imo, in terms of top six production, would be something like this.

Ovechkin - Backstrom - Ward
Kuznetsov - Johansson - Brouwer
Chimera - Laich - Fehr
Brown - Latta - Bealge (Wilson)

If Ovie is at RW, as Trotz has said he will start him, it becomes a lot worse looking.

Laich - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Kuznetsov - Johansson - Brouwer
Chimera - Fehr - Brouwer
4th line

Any way you cut it, they're going to need to rely on at least one player best suited for the bottom six (Laich, Fehr, Ward) to play at a top six wing spot.


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I think that the Caps should look to get a center of Tatar's age and caliber (hence Sheahan proposal) instead of getting Tatar and thinking "oh, maybe Kuznetsov or Burakovsky can play center".
Or, you know, they make multiple moves to address multiple issues with the roster.

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Ovechkin - Backstrom - Wilson

Burakovsky - Kuznetsov - Brouwer
Wilson, Burakovsky, and Kuznetsov and their grand total of 6 career NHL goals making up 50% of the top 6? What could possibly go wrong?

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07-15-2014, 11:18 AM
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Left wing is absolutely as weakness as well. There's no guarantee Laich is going to be healthy, and forcing all three of Johansson, Kuznetsov, and Laich into the top six means 3C is an issue again, as well (Eric Fehr is not a center). Not to mention that the 90-19-8 line left a lot to be desired at even strength. Even if you move Ovechkin to left wing (which is far from a guarantee), this team would look immensely improved with another bona fide top six winger in the line-up. Best case scenario right now, imo, in terms of top six production, would be something like this.

Ovechkin - Backstrom - Ward
Kuznetsov - Johansson - Brouwer
Chimera - Laich - Fehr
Brown - Latta - Bealge (Wilson)

If Ovie is at RW, as Trotz has said he will start him, it becomes a lot worse looking.

Laich - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Kuznetsov - Johansson - Brouwer
Chimera - Fehr - Brouwer
4th line

Any way you cut it, they're going to need to rely on at least one player best suited for the bottom six (Laich, Fehr, Ward) to play at a top six wing spot.



Or, you know, they make multiple moves to address multiple issues with the roster.



Wilson, Burakovsky, and Kuznetsov and their grand total of 6 career NHL goals making up 50% of the top 6? What could possibly go wrong?
Yeah but your scenario here has Wilson playing on the 4th line... that's not going to happen from what both Trotz and BMGM have stated. This is also another reason I see Burakovsky making it to start the season because he is a highly skilled left wing. And before you shoot it down he had a very good camp last year and was labeled "close" They have also stated they are going to go with Kuznetsov as 2c. So my start of the year line up IMO makes the most sense..

Ovechkin - Backstrom - Wilson

Burakovsky - Kuznetsov - Brouwer

Chimera - Laich - Ward

Fehr - Mojo - Latta

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Orpik/Green

Niskanen/Carlson

Alzner/Orlov

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07-15-2014, 03:52 PM
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Yeah but your scenario here has Wilson playing on the 4th line... that's not going to happen from what both Trotz and BMGM have stated.
Neither of them stated that in nearly as definitive of a fashion as you think, and they absolutely did not state he would play with Ovechkin and Backstrom. And if you're hanging so rigidly to what Trotz is saying, then you should be pencilling OV in at RW instead of left.

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This is also another reason I see Burakovsky making it to start the season because he is a highly skilled left wing. And before you shoot it down he had a very good camp last year and was labeled "close"
He was not labelled "close" last year. They said they were impressed, and that he might be in Hershey as soon as this season. He was cut on September 21st last year, at the same time as Casey Wellman, Ryan Stoa, Jeff Taffe, and Nathan Walker. Guys like Dane Byers, Joel Rechlicz, and Michal Cajkovsky were still on the roster after Burakovsky was cut.

He should absolutely be closer this season, one of the later cuts, but he's not going to be on the roster on opening night.

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They have also stated they are going to go with Kuznetsov as 2c. So my start of the year line up IMO makes the most sense..
When have they stated that? MacLellan stated multiple internal options, including Laich and Johansson. Nobody has said Kuznetsov is definitely going to be the 2C.

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Ovechkin - Backstrom - Wilson

Burakovsky - Kuznetsov - Brouwer

Chimera - Laich - Ward

Fehr - Mojo - Latta

Beagle



Orpik/Green

Niskanen/Carlson

Alzner/Orlov
That's a fantasy-land roster. Three prospects in the top six. Niskanen playing his off-side. Marcus Johansson as a 4th line center. Alzner on the 3rd pairing, Orpik on the top. Carlson taken away from the shutdown pairing. You're living in your own delusions.

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Left wing is absolutely as weakness as well. There's no guarantee Laich is going to be healthy, and forcing all three of Johansson, Kuznetsov, and Laich into the top six means 3C is an issue again, as well (Eric Fehr is not a center). Not to mention that the 90-19-8 line left a lot to be desired at even strength. Even if you move Ovechkin to left wing (which is far from a guarantee), this team would look immensely improved with another bona fide top six winger in the line-up. Best case scenario right now, imo, in terms of top six production, would be something like this.

Ovechkin - Backstrom - Ward
Kuznetsov - Johansson - Brouwer
Chimera - Laich - Fehr
Brown - Latta - Bealge (Wilson)
If you acquire a center, one of Johansson or Laich can play 3C.

Acquiring a C basically eliminates the need for LW.

Ovechkin - Backstrom - Brouwer
Johansson - CENTER - Kuznetsov

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