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Current player most similar to Pavel Bure?

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07-22-2014, 08:59 AM
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Patrick Kane is probably the closest in terms of style. Same size, left hand shot, dazzling moves and entertainment value. Bure was just a faster version.

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07-22-2014, 09:32 AM
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stylistically the skating stance, build, I see a lot of similarities between Yakupov and Bure, Bure was a bit faster, Yakupov more physical. Bure's goal scoring instincts and stickhandling however will be hard to match by anyone in this era.

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07-22-2014, 10:08 AM
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Thinking Nate MacKinnon as well.

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I think Nate MacKinnon as well. I also don't understand the Subban comparison.

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07-22-2014, 12:12 PM
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I also don't understand the Subban comparison.
Swagger.

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Swagger.
And stickhandling ability to a degree. Subban uses that one move...far too many times. Bure had many moves and his acceleration was much better, not to mention finish. But really, Bure was so unique with such a gifted skill set, no one current comes to mind...except early Ovechkin.

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I like the idea of Gaborik and Kane molded into one...with an even greater nose for the net.

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07-22-2014, 04:15 PM
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How about Nichushkin

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07-22-2014, 04:20 PM
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How about Nichushkin
Nichushkin is more of a hulking, net crashing machine. Bure was a smaller, pure razzle dazzle at top speed kind of guy.

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Gonna agree with Mackinnon...but barely.

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None are really similar.

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Patrick Kane is probably the closest in terms of style. Same size, left hand shot, dazzling moves and entertainment value. Bure was just a faster version.
Somewhere in between this.....

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None are really similar.
... and this ^^^. Bure was a one~off. An artist like Lafleur.

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07-23-2014, 10:25 PM
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Also, I don't understand this Kane-Bure comparison at all.Seriously those are two extremely different players.

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07-23-2014, 10:33 PM
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Also, I don't understand this Kane-Bure comparison at all.Seriously those are two extremely different players.
They're not as different as you might think, actually.
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The reason Pavel is compared to Patrick Kane is because of the way they operate in the offensive zone; setting aside the fact Kane is a pass-first player, their positioning in the offensive zone is very similar. They support the puck and wander in the offensive zone; they don't exactly stay on one side of the ice like most forwards do. When the puck is deep in the offensive zone, they serve to support the puck. Their positioning depends largely on where the puck is in the offensive zone. Kane is unafraid to carry the puck all around the offensive zone. He is unafraid to be anywhere on the ice in the offensive zone. Some players stick to a certain side or prefer to be in certain areas on the ice, but Kane positions himself anywhere in the offensive zone depending on where the puck is. It does not matter whether he is designated a left winger or a right winger; he'll play the puck on either side of the ice and circle around the zone. Sometimes he'll even move up high to take the point for a one-timer or to make a play from up there. His agility provides him with great mobility in the zone. He also likes to be creative with the puck, and has a knack for carrying it around.

For example:



Here is another of my earlier works, featuring examples of similar play from Pavel:



Here is a preview of my next work, which focuses squarely on one game and Pavel's positioning in it. Watch his positioning:



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So did old Bure to an extent after all the knee problems.

People have the romantic image, 20 years later, of Bure scoring all of his goals on brilliant, explosive end-to-end rushes. And he did score a lot of goals that way. But for every rush goal he scored, he scored 2 or 3 while standing still by simply blowing the puck by the goalie on one-timers.
Post-1998 Bure did not move anywhere near as much as pre-1998 Bure did. In general, he seemed less mobile, unable to play the way he used to. The knee injury seemed to take a huge toll on his agility. Your analysis of Bure in his Florida days is agreeable.

Remember, we are separating pre-1998 Bure from post-1998 Bure. My goal has been to place them into two distinct categories because Pavel's style of play before 1998 does not resemble his style of play after 1998. We must recall that the way players approach the game can change -- we've seen this with Alex Ovechkin, Stan Mikita, Steve Yzerman, and others. I'll be exploring that over the Summer and upcoming Fall with regards to Bure.

Hull and Ovechkin stand still in the offensive zone much of the time and hardly move their legs to the extent that early Bure or Kane would. Lately, Ovechkin has remained on one side of the ice for the most part, staying within a specific shooting region and looking for players to set up one-timers. Early Pavel moved his feet actively and was anywhere in the offensive zone depending on where the puck was, much like what we see from Kane now. He played a puck support game. I've provided a plethora of footage showing Pavel's usual positioning and highlighting his tendencies.
Some great examples here as well (from last season):



Here are his goals from the shortened 2013 and 2013-14 seasons:



Here are his goals from the 2009-10 season:



I may do a comparison video of their styles in the future just to make the point clearer. Kane plays everywhere; he cruises in front of the net too, much like Pavel did. One of his greatest offensive weapons is his shot, and he has a pretty decent one-timer too. Let's not forget he scored 23 goals in 47 games in 2013, and 29 goals in 69 games last season. His creativity, mobility and skill set make him very dangerous. In fact, his agility and quick movements are integral to his game; he needs to be able to maneuver around quickly, with or without the puck. He is one of the best players in the league currently at offensive zone entry, which was one of Bure's great assets as well.

For more on Bure, refer to this video (already posted on Page 1) and a highlight reel of some of his goals (pre-1998). After watching the Kane videos, you may see some striking similarities between his goals and Pavel's:



Patrick Kane is as close of a player to Pavel Bure as there is in today's NHL.


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07-24-2014, 06:54 AM
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stylistically the skating stance, build, I see a lot of similarities between Yakupov and Bure
I don't agree at all, actually. I've watched Yakupov very analytically over the past few seasons. Nail has a very low stance -- deep knee bend with a sort of a hunched look to it. He has quick feet; his top-end speed is quite average, though. He handles the puck very loosely, meaning he pushes the puck forward an entire stick's length, and as a result he struggles to handle the puck quickly because he's always reaching as far as he can just to hang on to it. His stickhandling technique I would describe as very loose.

Nail seems to be more of a north-south player. He stays on his side of the ice and generally dishes the puck or dumps it in as soon as he passes the offensive zone blueline. He does not usually carry the puck into the offensive zone. When he is in the offensive zone, he usually zips back and forth on his side of the ice, but stays on that side for the most part. There is not much variety or creativity to his game at all. Prior to the 2012 NHL Entry Draft, I had heard of the comparisons, but after watching him on many occasions I've realized it was only ever because he wore the #10, was Russian, and had some scoring abilities.

Here are all of his goals from the 2013 season. Nearly all of them were scored from the exact same spot with Yakupov parked at the goalmouth on the right side or from a little further out for one-timers. There is no variety to his game; he plays almost exclusively on the right side. With the puck on his stick, Nail rarely make anything happen either. Most of the time he just stickhandles into traffic with the puck too far out of reach.



Patrick Kane is about 100x closer to resembling Bure than Yakupov is. Kane may even be a faster skater than Nail, he is certainly more agile, and his ability to handle the puck quickly, maneuver all over the ice, carry the puck in with ease, and play a generally very creative game make him so much more like Bure than anybody else I've seen in the current NHL.


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07-24-2014, 10:04 AM
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Oh well you put in so much effort I have to give you some credit.I haven't thought about it that deeply

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Yeah, Yakupov doesn't remind me of Bure AT ALL. If anyone, he reminds me of ex-NHLer Andrei Kovalenko.

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Speed: Gaborik, Grabner.
Stickhandling: Kane
Hairstyle: Brian Burke

To recreate a modern day Bure, he'd need G-rik or G-ner speed, Kane's hands and Burke's hair.

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I immediately thought of Patty Kane, then saw most of the people agree with me

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John Tavares?

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Matt Duchene for me.

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I think of him as an even better version of Phil. Insane speed with a bomb of a shot that has little to no release.

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More like Stamkos, with an infusion of Grabner.

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As soon as Dallas Eakins stops being the worst coach in NHL history with Barry Melrose's comeback in Tampa - it'll be Nail Yakupov

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