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08-09-2014, 05:27 PM
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Why would he want to come here over other locations though? Calgary has both of his BC teammates and there is a good chance they will be together this year or next year all on the same line.

Boston is his hometown and Florida is where is brother plays. And Colorado can offer him a better team than us with equal playing time. I doubt he chooses here.
I mean, why would anyone want to sign anywhere? If the team wanted him, I'm sure they could make him a proposal and try and persuade him to come here. Great city, great fans, big market, a good young core and one of if not the best group of defensive prospects in the league, and the oppurtunity to play in the nhl this year. There are a lot of reasons why a young player would want to come here. I'm not saying we'd be his first choice or the favorite to land him, but I think they could present him a good case.

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08-09-2014, 06:40 PM
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I mean, why would anyone want to sign anywhere? If the team wanted him, I'm sure they could make him a proposal and try and persuade him to come here. Great city, great fans, big market, a good young core and one of if not the best group of defensive prospects in the league, and the oppurtunity to play in the nhl this year. There are a lot of reasons why a young player would want to come here. I'm not saying we'd be his first choice or the favorite to land him, but I think they could present him a good case.
absolutely true. you make a strong argument.

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08-20-2014, 12:17 AM
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Option 1: Lineup with Lecavalier in press box, which is my pipe dream...
B. Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Akeson
Raffl - Laughton - Simmonds
Bellemare - White - Umberger
healthy scratches: Lecavalier, Rinaldo

Option 2: Lineup with Lecavalier...
B. Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Akeson
Raffl - Laughton - Simmonds
Umberger - Lecavalier - White
healthy scratches: Bellemare, Rinaldo

Option 3: Lineup with Laughton in the AHL...
B. Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Akeson
Bellemare - Raffl - Simmonds
Umberger - Lecavalier - White
healthy scratches: Rosehill, Rinaldo

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08-20-2014, 01:01 AM
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Option 1: Lineup with Lecavalier in press box, which is my pipe dream...
B. Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Akeson
Raffl - Laughton - Simmonds
Bellemare - White - Umberger
healthy scratches: Lecavalier, Rinaldo

Option 2: Lineup with Lecavalier...
B. Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Akeson
Raffl - Laughton - Simmonds
Umberger - Lecavalier - White
healthy scratches: Bellemare, Rinaldo

Option 3: Lineup with Laughton in the AHL...
B. Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Akeson
Bellemare - Raffl - Simmonds
Umberger - Lecavalier - White
healthy scratches: Rosehill, Rinaldo
This makes no sense and will never happen. I don't get why people think this is a good idea.

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08-20-2014, 07:59 AM
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The chances of Lecavelier being a healthy scratch are about the same as of me playing on the first line.

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08-20-2014, 12:11 PM
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This makes no sense and will never happen. I don't get why people think this is a good idea.
Honestly, thinking the same thing...I love that people put Umberger on the 4th line. Everyone is so sure he's not worth anything...We traded Hartnell for Umberger for a reason. Everyone wants to trust Hextall, but for some reason this trade doesn't count. I'm personally happy to have someone who is a better 2 way player, with better skating, a 20 goal scorer, and a known playoff hero (Here in Philly). This isn't NHL were you can put rookies in the lineup and see their potential + experience increase their player rating.

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08-20-2014, 12:14 PM
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Notable quote: "Zac Rinaldo was up there (on Couturier and Read's line) a little bit and did a good job while he was there. I'm looking for Zac to come in to camp and move up the charts."




He sounds pretty dug into keeping 28/93, 10/17, and 14/24 together, so I won't be holding my breath for Schenn to get his chance in the spot that we all know makes the most sense.

If I had to guess our opening day lineup, I'd say it's this:

Umberger-Giroux-Voracek
Lecavalier-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Raffl
Bellemarre-White-Rinaldo


In other words, I don't see very much changing from last year.

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08-20-2014, 12:18 PM
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Notable quote: "Zac Rinaldo was up there (on Couturier and Read's line) a little bit and did a good job while he was there. I'm looking for Zac to come in to camp and move up the charts."




He sounds pretty dug into keeping 28/93, 10/17, and 14/24 together, so I won't be holding my breath for Schenn to get his chance in the spot that we all know makes the most sense.

If I had to guess our opening day lineup, I'd say it's this:

Umberger-Giroux-Voracek
Lecavalier-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Raffl
Bellemarre-White-Rinaldo


In other words, I don't see very much changing from last year.
He's not the only one who thinks Rinaldo is better than he is, the beloved Ron Hextall has also stated he thinks Rinaldo is a ''good young piece'' in an interview he did on 97.5 when he first got the job.

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08-20-2014, 12:21 PM
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Notable quote: "Zac Rinaldo was up there (on Couturier and Read's line) a little bit and did a good job while he was there. I'm looking for Zac to come in to camp and move up the charts."




He sounds pretty dug into keeping 28/93, 10/17, and 14/24 together, so I won't be holding my breath for Schenn to get his chance in the spot that we all know makes the most sense.

If I had to guess our opening day lineup, I'd say it's this:

Umberger-Giroux-Voracek
Lecavalier-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Raffl
Bellemarre-White-Rinaldo


In other words, I don't see very much changing from last year.
If this is still a line I will be very angry.

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Honestly, thinking the same thing...I love that people put Umberger on the 4th line. Everyone is so sure he's not worth anything...We traded Hartnell for Umberger for a reason. Everyone wants to trust Hextall, but for some reason this trade doesn't count. I'm personally happy to have someone who is a better 2 way player, with better skating, a 20 goal scorer, and a known playoff hero (Here in Philly). This isn't NHL were you can put rookies in the lineup and see their potential + experience increase their player rating.
I guarantee barring injury, Umberger will out produce Hartnell this upcoming season. It boggles my mind how many people think this trade was a clear cut win for CBJ. Johansen is a nice player, but he's no Claude Giroux. Not even close. That's even if Hartnell is put on the top line there. Umberger didn't get to play with Johansen, was healthy scratched a few times and still scored 20.

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08-20-2014, 12:27 PM
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Yea lets destroy our defensive line Berube so we get scored on more.

Oh well. Same team as last year with the same lines and same everything. Just really hoping PEB comes in and plays well enough or Raffl plays well enough so that Rinaldo is not in the top 9. If you want to lose....yea lets put Rinaldo up there. I guess the one thing we wont have to worry about is him playing alot in the top 9, since he is always in the box.

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The only chart Rinaldo will move up in is PIM.

At the starts he did talk about needing a RW for Couturier and Read and mentions Raffl and Umberger specifically, so he has Read penciled in at LW like I usually do in my lineups.

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08-20-2014, 02:01 PM
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I guarantee barring injury, Umberger will out produce Hartnell this upcoming season. It boggles my mind how many people think this trade was a clear cut win for CBJ. Johansen is a nice player, but he's no Claude Giroux. Not even close. That's even if Hartnell is put on the top line there. Umberger didn't get to play with Johansen, was healthy scratched a few times and still scored 20.
Not true, he played the vast majority of the season with Johansen & Foligno. He also played on their top PP unit which netted him 8 goals out of his 18 total.

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08-20-2014, 02:07 PM
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Umberger played 541.5 out of 916 5v5 minutes alongside Johansen or 59.1% of his 5v5 ice time.

He scored 66.6% of his 5v5 points during that 59.1% of his minutes, so it's safe to assume Johansen was aiding Umberger's production.

A similar story existed last season for Hartnell, too.

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08-20-2014, 02:11 PM
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what about a 93/28/40 line?

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what about a 93/28/40 line?
Yeah, I mean if they are going to insist on keeping Lecavalier at wing, that makes more sense to me. But then who do you put with Schenn and Simmonds? Umberger? That's an underwhelming combination. Akeson? Maybe. Raffl? Meh. Bellamare? That seems a stretch.

Lecavalier-Giroux-Voracek
______-Schenn-Simmonds
Umberger-Couturier-Read
______-White-Rinaldo

Two spots for three guys, but at least that keeps the integrity of the shut-down line.

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There's no way Voracek will move to LW, and Vinny has proved he is bad at that position.

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There's no way Voracek will move to LW, and Vinny has proved he is bad at that position.
I don't think any of us disagree--but if they are committed to keeping Giroux, Schenn, and Couturier down the middle, then something needs to give, unless they are prepared to leave Lecavalier in a 4th line/PP specialist role.

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Berube doesn't seem committed to keeping Schenn at center in that video. He mentioned him as a young guy who can move around.

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Vinny was good at RW, but awful at LW

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He's not the only one who thinks Rinaldo is better than he is, the beloved Ron Hextall has also stated he thinks Rinaldo is a ''good young piece'' in an interview he did on 97.5 when he first got the job.
If Laviolette, then Berube, and Holmgren then Hextall all think Rinaldo is a good player with a solid future with the team, you have to wonder why so many people leave him off their potential lineups.

He'll be a Flyer regular again this year, obviously. They like him in the Hound Dog Kelly 'skate fast and destroy guys' mode. Laperriere had been working with him on discipline and PK duty, we'll see what he happens this year.

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Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Umberger-Vinny-Simmer
Akeson-Couts-Read
Bellemare-Laughton-Raffl
Rinaldo

Streit-Coburn
MacD-DZ
Grossmann-Schenn
Schultz

Mason
Emery

That bottom pairing for defense REALLY needs to be fixed... but it's what we have for right now without bringing up Ghost/Hagg (if they don't make it out of camp). I still think we're going to bury Schultz... or we should anyways.

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I'm by no means an expert, but it seems to me that taking a guy who's most obvious shortcoming is his hockey IQ and continuing to shuffle him around in the lineup is not necessarily the best course of development.



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Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Umberger-Vinny-Simmer
Akeson-Couts-Read
Bellemare-Laughton-Raffl
Rinaldo

Streit-Coburn
MacD-DZ
Grossmann-Schenn
Schultz

Mason
Emery

That bottom pairing for defense REALLY needs to be fixed... but it's what we have for right now without bringing up Ghost/Hagg (if they don't make it out of camp). I still think we're going to bury Schultz... or we should anyways.
I'd flip MDZ with Grossmann or Schenn, otherwise, I think that's about right.

Schultz is perfectly fine as #7.

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I don't think Vinny and Simmonds are a good combo. I would prefer:

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Umbeger-Lecavalier-Akeson
PEB-Laughton-Raffl

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I'm still very much in favor of a Raffl-Lecavalier-Umberger line. Gives VL some decent players to work with but not so good that he's getting in their way like he was with Simmonds and Schenn.

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Lecavalier-Umberger
Bellemarre-White/Laughton-Akeson/Rinaldo

Though the lineup above mine looks good to me, too.

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