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04-13-2007, 02:17 PM
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If true, do you make a play for the pick

According to Spectors

http://spectorshockey.net/

there are whispers that the Caps may deal their 1st round pick they are looking for immediate help.

Prucha, Hossa and Pock for the 1st (5th overall) and Eminger

Am I overvaluing our guys here?

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04-13-2007, 02:19 PM
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According to Spectors

http://spectorshockey.net/

there are whispers that the Caps may deal their 1st round pick they are looking for immediate help.

Prucha, Hossa and Pock for the 1st (5th overall) and Eminger

Am I overvaluing our guys here?

Thoughts


Dont want to discuss dealing guys who are working their tales of right now in our playoff run, when the season is over then we can talk about it.

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04-13-2007, 02:21 PM
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According to Spectors

http://spectorshockey.net/

there are whispers that the Caps may deal their 1st round pick they are looking for immediate help.

Prucha, Hossa and Pock for the 1st (5th overall) and Eminger

Am I overvaluing our guys here?

Thoughts

worst trade idea in the world...

you want to trade a guy that has scored 50 goals in two season...a guy in hossa that has finally come around (even if u choose not to believe it) and pock who the rangers just resigned for the 5th pick in the draft....

why?

This isn't even a deep draft from what I've read...

Just awful

u might not get a player at the 5th spot that is AS good as Prucha or Hossa...

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04-13-2007, 02:23 PM
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Prucha, Hossa and Pock for the 1st (5th overall) and Eminger
Too much to give up.

But to answer your question, I certainly look into what it would take to get it.

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04-13-2007, 02:28 PM
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Prucha, Hossa and Pock for the 1st (5th overall) and Eminger

Thoughts
Caps want to get to the PO's with Alex O before he tests the FA market in a few years....

Yea, too much to give up... unless we would be getting a number one or two pick, and that pick was going to be a strong firstline/franchise player (Drury, Elias type level of player) then no, not worth it....

besides to get a player like that we would need to give up a lot more

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04-13-2007, 02:29 PM
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agreed

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Dont want to discuss dealing guys who are working their tales of right now in our playoff run, when the season is over then we can talk about it.
you are correctly right... the guys are playing their ssssss off and you want to trade them..

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04-13-2007, 02:32 PM
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I'm sorry, the "Umm... is this post a joke?" is MUCH more fitting for this thread, are you kidding me dude? Let's worry about winning in the playoffs now...

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Forget it, we're no longer in a position where we need to accumulate high draft picks. We have the youth in our system now to begin building a dynasty of sorts.

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I don't think the Rangers are going to trade young guys like you mentioned either. The Caps could sure use some help, but I feel that if they're dangling their first-round pick this summer, it's going to be for some higher level talent than guys like Prucha and Hossa. I'm talking about guys who have been around 5-6 years and consistently performed at a high level. And it looks like they'll be focusing more on center and defense than the wing.

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Is baby Staal available this draft or something?

Why would you want to deal 3 young guys out of the starting lineup for a top 5 pick in an exceptionally average draft?

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Too much to give up.
agreed

fifth overall will always hold value but it doesn't seem like this is the draft to make that type of trade

also i think we can avoid trading prucha in any deal considering all the prospects we have, and even i being a hossa disliker am starting to believe he is for real

pock imo will without a doubt be traded in the off season

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oh crap, i just reread it and the deal included eminger

he makes it better for the value side but i still don't love it

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Dont want to discuss dealing guys who are working their tales of right now in our playoff run, when the season is over then we can talk about it.

That why the heck did you post here?

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oh crap, i just reread it and the deal included eminger

he makes it better for the value side but i still don't love it
even with emminger it's not a well thought out trade proposal...

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Montoya?

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They don't say anything here about the Rangers. If the Rangers trade Prucha or Hossa they are stupid.

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worst trade idea in the world...

you want to trade a guy that has scored 50 goals in two season...a guy in hossa that has finally come around (even if u choose not to believe it) and pock who the rangers just resigned for the 5th pick in the draft....

why?

This isn't even a deep draft from what I've read...

Just awful

u might not get a player at the 5th spot that is AS good as Prucha or Hossa...
i agree with your comments fully, but the thing about this draft is it is deep but not full of clear cut top top guys... the sense that a guy selected at 30 or 40 might have as great of a career as a top 10-15 player..

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i agree with your comments fully, but the thing about this draft is it is deep but not full of clear cut top top guys... the sense that a guy selected at 20 or 30 might have as great of a career as a top 5-10 player..
In that case trade down and pick up an extra couple of picks..you don't trade up in a draft like that....u also don't trade two good young forwards for an unproven 18 year old kid and steve emminger.....

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you are correctly right... the guys are playing their ssssss off and you want to trade them..
Is it possible to be correctly wrong?

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even with emminger it's not a well thought out trade proposal...
Here's the thought process behind the proposal.

Let's say that we are interested in both the 5th and Eminger.

Prucha is a nice little player and the 50 goals over the last 2 season are very impressive when you look at where he's been playing this year (pretty much on every line at one time or another) but even with that said, he alone will not get the pick.

Hossa, as much as he has started to break through this year is still a medicore player that has greatly benefitted from playing with Jagr and Nylander (remember even Isbister looked good in that role) so implying he's all of a sudden to good to be dealt is a bit short sighted.

Pock has emerged as a solid 5th/6th/7th defenceman which is how he will be used. He's a depth guy and not one that is really going to be the key difference in winning or losing.

OK, with that out of the way

Prucha is going to be replaced in the line-up by one of Dubinsky or Bourret.

Hossa's presence on the team or lack thereof has already been demonstrated as being a non-factor in that we never skipped a beat afte rhe went down with the knee injury. He's not a loss if dealt and not a player we would miss if not in the line-up. To me that is using an asset very wisely.

Pock, manning the 5/6/7 D spot is pretty much keeping that warm for a guy like Staal or Sauer or Sanguinetti. He's signed for 2 more years but I highly doubt that he's in the long-term plans.

Eminger is a better defenceman than Pock in every facet today, add to it the fact that he's actually younger than Pock with higher upside and getting him included in this deal would be a steal for the Rangers.

The 5th overall pick. While some have stated that this years draft pool isn't that deep, the caveat is usually added that after the first 5-10 picks there's a significant drop off in talent. Getting the 5th overall choice in this years draft would provide the Rangers the potential opportunity to grab a player like Kane, Voracek, Cherepanov, Van Riemsdyk, Gagner, Coutoure, Esposito, Turris.

Each of those prospects are of the higher tier talents out there and quite a few of them have higher ceilings of any prospect we have in the system right now (save Staal and Montoya)

The fact is we are still lacking that top end prospect at the forward position that can set up our scoring wingers in Callahan and Bourret and Dawes and Jessiman. I like Dubinsky as much as the next poster does, but he's a 2nd/3rd line center in the making. We are in need of a top notch playmaking center the likes of which out system does not have.

Not looking to rush anyone out the door but if offered the opportunity to move some assets that we are deep in for assets we are not deep in, I think that the choice is easy.

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Montoya?
Definitely not Montoya--who was a 6th overall and since being drafted has had 3 years worth of development at the most critical position of all and one we are weak at. I don't mind us trying to move up if we have some particular player in mind but giving up Prucha is a non-starter when you consider 50 goals in two season and a fairly small contract to boot. We've gotten plenty of bang for the bucks we've spent on him. Hossa also seems to be coming around but I could see trading him if we got something good back. Ditto with Pck.

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Anybody do that deal for the first or second overall???

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pld,

The team never missed a beat without Tyutin either, but he is a big part of this team.

I agree with SoS here, I don't see the logic in trading two young players who have proven themselves or are beginning to prove themselves for an unknown commodity.

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I don't care as much for Hossa as I do for Prucha. I will be pissed as hell if he leaves New York. Once he fills out his small frame and gains a bit more experience, I think he is capable of putting up 70+ points on the second line if given the chance. He's also one of the hardest working players we have right now. He better not be going anywhere fast

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In that case trade down and pick up an extra couple of picks..you don't trade up in a draft like that....u also don't trade two good young forwards for an unproven 18 year old kid and steve emminger.....
oh i definitely agree, thats what i was trying to say earlier, but i was just pointing out the part about it not being a deep draft..

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