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04-17-2007, 10:42 PM
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10 Minute Misconducts: Excuse Me?

I didn't know referees were allowed to make up rules during the game. But what those EDITED FOR BIGE - REMOVED MAJOR TYPO clowns pulled tonight was disgracful. 10 minute misconducts everytime guys looked at eachother. 10 minutes for Orr and the other guy for just talking. 10 minutes for Kovalchuk and Avery for getting into a normal fight? What the hell was going on last night?


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Gonna have to agree with you Balej. The refs began to lose control, and responded by stupidly doling out seemingly arbitrary misconducts. I hope this crew is done for the rest of the series....

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I didn't have a problem with it. The game was basically over at that point. No need to encourage the rough stuff. The last thing I want to see is someone get injured.

I think the conducts were a result of the players blatantly disregarding multiple warnings by the referees.

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I didn't know referees were allowed to make up rules during the game. But what those to clowns pulled tonight was disgracful. 10 minute misconducts everytime guys looked at eachother. 10 minutes for Orr and the other guy for just talking. 10 minutes for Kovalchuk and Avery for getting into a normal fight? What the hell was going on last night?
EXACTLY!!!

thank god someone else can actually see what i see..

you dont just toss around 10-minute misconducts, even if you want to "keep the violence, etc in check".. there was no reason for them..

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04-17-2007, 10:56 PM
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It was their fault to begin with. High hits, slashes to the back of the leg, Tkachuck crosschecking Girardi. Kozlov with two elbows. All these things started to add up with little calls on them and they lost control of the game.

If they had made those calls earlier they wouldnt have gotten around to giving out all those misconducts. Yeah very stupid. Not only were they not warranted they also rested about 8 players with all those misconducts in the third period and made them fresher for the next game tomorrow.

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I didn't have a problem with it. The game was basically over at that point. No need to encourage the rough stuff. The last thing I want to see is someone get injured.

I think the conducts were a result of the players blatantly disregarding multiple warnings by the referees.

True enough, but I'm pretty sure the rulebook has guidelines for handing out a 10 min misconduct. Not just "oh ATL is ******** so we'll give both teams' players 10 min to avoid stuff"

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I don't understand how Mara gets a 10 minute for breaking up the fight.

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I don't understand how Mara gets a 10 minute for breaking up the fight.

Yeah, that was annoying.

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Im just glade no one got hurt, so im fine with the misconducts.....

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I don't understand how Mara gets a 10 minute for breaking up the fight.
Mara was the third man in on the fight, you could argue that he should have been assesed an additional penalty AND ejected.

I don't know the rulebook verbatim, but in the case of Orr and the other guy at the end of the 2nd, you could clearly see the officials warning the players before the faceoff with less than a second to go. I'm fairly certain officials have flexiblity to make the 10-min call for a multitide of reasons...

Yes, all of this could have been avoided had the series been properly called from the get go, but they did a good job in keeping it under control tonight, IMO.

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They are allowed to give 10 min misconducts out for "unsportsmanlike". So all these were legit...it was just their way of trying to defuse the situation that could have blown up.

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Physical team + blowout + frustration + anger + Bob Hartley....

I'm glad they kept it under wraps. Last thing we need is someone getting injured on a cheap play in a throwaway game.

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They are allowed to give 10 min misconducts out for "unsportsmanlike". So all these were legit...it was just their way of trying to defuse the situation that could have blown up.
It could have turned potentially dangerous for the Rangers though. They kicked Orr out for 10 minutes, leaving the Rangers with no enforcer to "protect" the team.

I've never seen a 10 minute penalty handed out for talking. Or 10 minutes for fighting. Never seen it.

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04-17-2007, 11:35 PM
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True enough, but I'm pretty sure the rulebook has guidelines for handing out a 10 min misconduct. Not just "oh ATL is ******** so we'll give both teams' players 10 min to avoid stuff"
Right, I don't think you can do that. They should be disciplined after this game.

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Physical team + blowout + frustration + anger + Bob Hartley....

I'm glad they kept it under wraps. Last thing we need is someone getting injured on a cheap play in a throwaway game.
Bingo. The Rangers were winning by so much at that point where they just wanted to nullify any "rough stuff"

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04-17-2007, 11:54 PM
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The prevailing opinion in my section and the section in front was that the game was pretty well officiated. A lot of what we saw was to keep things from getting really ugly at the end.

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I didn't know referees were allowed to make up rules during the game. But what those to clowns pulled tonight was disgracful. 10 minute misconducts everytime guys looked at eachother. 10 minutes for Orr and the other guy for just talking. 10 minutes for Kovalchuk and Avery for getting into a normal fight? What the hell was going on last night?
Ten minute misconducts are a game management tool to be used at the discretion of the referees on the ice.

It's a blow out game in the middle of a playoff series that could quickly spiral out of control. What do you really expect?

Isn't it enough to just be happy with tonight's game? Why is there always something to complain about with you?

If anything is disgraceful it's your grammar.

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I thought they were a little wild with the 10 minute misconducts, but all they were doing was making sure a blowout playoff win didn't get out of hand. Can't fault them for that.

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Ten minute misconducts are a game management tool to be used at the discretion of the referees on the ice.

It's a blow out game in the middle of a playoff series that could quickly spiral out of control. What do you really expect?

Isn't it enough to just be happy with tonight's game? Why is there always something to complain about with you?

If anything is disgraceful it's your grammar.
Ok, I'll take the high road here and not respond to your personal attacks against me.

My problem with the 10 minute misconducts was the fact that Orr got one for talking at the end of the 2nd. Orr is the only tough guy the Rangers have in the lineup, and I knew Atlanta would be taking runs at the Rangers the entire thrid. So I thought to take Orr out of the Rangers lineup presented them with a very dangerous situation.

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The prevailing opinion in my section and the section in front was that the game was pretty well officiated. A lot of what we saw was to keep things from getting really ugly at the end.
I agree, there was no need for the reffs to let the game get out of hand just because atlanta was fustrated.

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Wouldn't Mara get one because he technically is the '3rd man in'?

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Wouldn't Mara get one because he technically is the '3rd man in'?
He probably should have been tossed. i actually didn't have a problem with Mara getting a 10 there. He was the third man in, which means game misconduct.

The one that really bothered me was Orr, and to a lesser extent, Avery's.

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They are allowed to give 10 min misconducts out for "unsportsmanlike". So all these were legit...it was just their way of trying to defuse the situation that could have blown up.

Agreed, 10 minute misconducts are usually handed out for penalties that are not so obvious. They are penalties that are meant to penalize the player but not the team. So honestly, unless you were on the ice and could hear everything that was said, I'm not sure how you can argue a 10.

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Agreed, 10 minute misconducts are usually handed out for penalties that are not so obvious. They are penalties that are meant to penalize the player but not the team. So honestly, unless you were on the ice and could hear everything that was said, I'm not sure how you can argue a 10.
My arguement for the Orr 10 minute still stands. But I'm starting to agree with you guys about the other ones. You all make good points.

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I do agree that removing Orr from the game for 10 minutes could have lead to a dangerous situation. The problem being that the ref would have had to think ahead about a possible situation developing. From what I've seen I don't think a NHL ref is capable of this

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