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02-23-2004, 10:37 AM
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Sens RWs and Havlat's last goal

Hereís a funny twist on stats.

The Sens have four RWs (i.e. natural RWs) who have over 20 goals each:
Marian Hossa 26
Daniel Alfredsson 25
Martin Havlat 24
Peter Bondra 22

97 goals. This is only 19 goals behind the Canes team total of 116. If only Havlat had not missed training camp.

Of course there is concern over Havlatís last goal:
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"I just wanted to let him know I didn't appreciate that little move he made at the end," said Malone. "I thought he was cherry-picking at our blue line, trying to make sure he would get the hat trick and I didn't like it.

"If that's the way they want to do things, that's fine. They can do that sort of thing. He's a skilled player, I don't think he needs to go cherry-picking to score goals like that. I just don't believe it's the right thing to do."

Senators players were told by the officials that Murley and Malone were sent over by Ed Olczyk to talk to Havlat, but the Pittsburgh coach denied doing anything of the sort.

"That's b.s. They can say what they want," an incensed Olczyk told the Sun. "If I'm going to send somebody over to talk to Havlat, it's not going to be Ryan Malone. He might be on my list, but I'll guarantee you he wouldn't be the first guy.
Maybe its just me, but for a team that had a young Mario Lemieux to be upset with young Havlat for hanging around the other teamís blueline and cherry picking seems a bit much. Perhaps it was an effective way of taking some attention away from the losing streak.

See: Havlat's trick no treat

Edit: See also: Penguins' winless skid hits 18 games after slit of promise quickly vanishes
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Olczyk adamantly denied suggestions from the Senators that he had sent Malone or any of his teammates to confront Havlat -- Malone backed up Olczyk -- but didn't seem displeased with anything Malone did.

"I think all the players realized [Havlat] was out at our blue line for four or five seconds, waiting for the puck to come to him," Olczyk said. "Everybody noticed it.

"If they're accusing me of sending Ryan over there ... first of all, if I was going to send somebody over there, it wouldn't be Ryan Malone. But you know what? [Malone] is smart enough to understand what's going on."

Olczyk clearly didn't mind what Malone did after time expired, and was even more pleased with the goal he scored at 17:05 of the second to make it 3-3.

Malone carried the puck into the Ottawa zone from the red line and faked putting it between the legs of Senators center Jason Spezza in the slot, then went around Spezza and moved in alone on Prusek before flipping a shot by him.

"He made Spezza look pretty foolish," Olczyk said.

Olczyk acknowledged that Spezza isn't a defenseman, and thus isn't used to defending against such a rush, but praised Malone for seeing an opportunity and exploiting it.

"Ryan recognized that it was a forward back there," he said. "He tried to make a move, and he did."

The goal was Malone's 18th, and the latest evidence that he could be an impact player for years.

"He's going to be a difference-maker," Olczyk said. "When we turn this ship around, Ryan's going to be right in the middle of it. He going to be the guy winning games for us."
There were two funny things about the Malone vs. Spezza goal - first Malone used a move that Spezza has used before, and second Spezza ended up looking between his skates for a puck while the player went around him. I was surprised to see that Olczyk would want to be quoted as saying an opposing player looked "pretty foolish", especially one that is young and was not playing his natural position at that moment.


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If anything, the Penguins should be happy Havlat was up at the other blue line. That essentially made it a 6 on 4.

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I don't believe it a bit.

Why would player be concerned with the play of another team's player, unless it's a dirty hit deserving a penalty???

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who cares??? how many players in the league cherry pick... MANY!!! the goal i'd be discussing is the havlat OT winner vs. calgary. Definatly offside.

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who cares??? how many players in the league cherry pick... MANY!!! the goal i'd be discussing is the havlat OT winner vs. calgary. Definatly offside.
It wasn't an OT winner....

but that must of pissed you off eh? I love it

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It wasn't an OT winner....

but that must of pissed you off eh? I love it
Ummm... a) i'm not a flames fan b) why would i be pissed? I couldn't care less

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who cares??? how many players in the league cherry pick... MANY!!! the goal i'd be discussing is the havlat OT winner vs. calgary. Definatly offside.
The puck was on the blueline. They reviewed it after the game and said it was not offside.

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The puck was on the blueline. They reviewed it after the game and said it was not offside.
not how it looked to me... but i'm sure they just said it to shut everyone up and finish the controversie.

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Ummm... a) i'm not a flames fan b) why would i be pissed? I couldn't care less
Then why did you bring it up?

And you'd be pissed because you're a Leafs fan.

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Then why did you bring it up?

And you'd be pissed because you're a Leafs fan.
OHHhhhh so because i'm a leafs fan sens wins should piss me off... dude... get over it.

I brought it up, because its much more of a controversie then havlats cherry picking for a hat trick. Thats why...

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With all the talent on this team it's interesting to see that this is the first hattrick on the sens this season.

Now, anyone still want to trade this guy?? IMO he has the potential to be the top RW in a couple of years.

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Some of the people who bash Kovalchuk for caring more about his personal achievements than winning the games need to hop over to this thread and rip Havlat a new one.

Seriously though, I think Olczyk was rightfully pissed because Havlat's actions show how much respect Sens have for the Penguins' "man advantage". It was insulting to the Pittsburgh players even more because it reflects reality. The Pens would not have minded it one bit if they were able to take advantage of Havlat's cherry picking.

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Some of the people who bash Kovalchuk for caring more about his personal achievements than winning the games need to hop over to this thread and rip Havlat a new one.

Seriously though, I think Olczyk was rightfully pissed because Havlat's actions show how much respect Sens have for the Penguins' "man advantage". It was insulting to the Pittsburgh players even more because it reflects reality. The Pens would not have minded it one bit if they were able to take advantage of Havlat's cherry picking.
Rip Havlat for doing what? Being open and scoring an empty-netter? The pens had a 6 on 4 they weren't able to keep the puck in the zone and as a result havlat was wide open...Lack of respect has nothing to do with it ..if havlat celebrated the hat-trick then i can see where your coming from but he did nothing but skate to the bench where a bunch of bitter penguins were waiting to give him face-washes.

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^I believe he was joking.

The Penguins were just embarassed.

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With all the talent on this team it's interesting to see that this is the first hattrick on the sens this season.
It's not that surprising considering all the talent on the team, the goals are spread out between different players and it shows that the team doesn't have only one player that contributes on the goals, everybody does.

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who cares??? how many players in the league cherry pick... MANY!!! the goal i'd be discussing is the havlat OT winner vs. calgary. Definatly offside.
The puck was in the air and the camera angle made it look as if Havlat was offside.

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I brought it up, because its much more of a controversie then havlats cherry picking for a hat trick. Thats why...
why the controversy? it was reviewed, and despite that bogus TSN report it was found to be onside (the puck never left the zone), so there's no controversy; why do you keep insisting there is? do you have a vendetta or something?

I'm wondering how come nobody saw that the Leafs' 3rd goal vs the Habs was definitely offside... at least everybody in my living room thought so. The Hab player (Ryder?) was out of the zone when the puck hit him and bounced back in, and the Leafs hadn't yet vacated the zone. Without that goal, and counting Koivu's goal (the early whistle was a BS call) the Habs would've won... c'est la vie.

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I'm wondering how come nobody saw that the Leafs' 3rd goal vs the Habs was definitely offside... at least everybody in my living room thought so. The Hab player (Ryder?) was out of the zone when the puck hit him and bounced back in, and the Leafs hadn't yet vacated the zone. Without that goal, and counting Koivu's goal (the early whistle was a BS call) the Habs would've won... c'est la vie.
Nice touch mixing the Leafs and the Habs into a thread primarily about the top and bottom teams of the league.

I thought Habs fans were busy with the civil war, as in:
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=54829
and Leaf fans were following their journalists doing sniper duty seulement en anglais:
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=54864

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The puck didn't leave the zone...I believe the guys in charge of the refs were at that Flames' game and they determined after that it was in fact on-side...it had never left the zone. I saw the replay and it WAS on-side.

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So...

1. Havlat wanting to get a hat trick and ensuring the Sens win is being distasteful/disrespectful.

2. But the Penguin players coming over to scuffle with Havlat at the end of the game were not being distasteful/bad sportsmanlike/disrespectful.

Yeah, whatever.

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Nice touch mixing the Leafs and the Habs into a thread primarily about the top and bottom teams of the league.
None the less, the original culprit once again is our incapable counter part porn star. He's the one who has to find some innane reason to voice his opinion on something that wasn't even being discussed. And as usual he's trying to find some way to try to make Ottawa look as though they fell bass ackwards into yet another win and more referee favouritism.

At least he didn't bring up another complaint that the refs screwed toronto. But just wait. That's coming at playoff time.

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So...

1. Havlat wanting to get a hat trick and ensuring the Sens win is being distasteful/disrespectful.

2. But the Penguin players coming over to scuffle with Havlat at the end of the game were not being distasteful/bad sportsmanlike/disrespectful.

Yeah, whatever.
Oh, who cares.

Havlat scores a hattrick, and Malone and the Penguins let out a little frustration after losing 18 straight. Whats the big deal? Its not like Malone went and speared the guy, it was a bit of push and shove.

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I can't really blame the Pens for being frustrated, can you?

The fact is, Havlat did not cherry pick. I was there and saw the entire play form. He moved up when it became apparent that the Ottawa player was going to get possession in the nuetral zone, held up at the blueline for a moment, took the pass and skated it in.

I'd be more worried about Spezza making himself look dumb numerous times trying the same move, but it was pretty amusing.

Yesterday was an entertaining game, the Pens stuck with the Sens again. Were it not for a pretty weak goal to give up by Aubin for late in the first, that game might have been entirely different.

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Nice touch mixing the Leafs and the Habs into a thread primarily about the top and bottom teams of the league.
sorry, I probably should have tried to find an actual thread for it, but I was in a hurry and I hadn't seen it discussed anywhere else (so I -- and everyone else at my house -- may have been on crack)

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Oh, who cares.

Havlat scores a hattrick, and Malone and the Penguins let out a little frustration after losing 18 straight. Whats the big deal? Its not like Malone went and speared the guy, it was a bit of push and shove.
From the looks of it, these "who cares" incidents are the ones are get the most attention. (Referring to a certain multi-paged locked thread about a certain player's behaviour after a milestone.)

I'll just wait until this becomes a Havlat-lovers vs. Havlat-haters argument. And then Mods can finally shut it down.

Edit: Oops, forgot to make a point. What I really meant in my original thread is that if Pittsburgh cannot be completely blamed for venting frustration, then Havlat cannot be completely blamed for really wanting a hattrick to seal a win for the Sens.

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