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05-08-2007, 12:37 AM
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Now that the Sharks out of the playoffs ...

Its time for Poile to retool this ****in' defense ... and priority #1 is sign Scott ****in' Hannan

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I wouldn't mind letting him go. It's insanely clear that the Sharks need a puck-moving defenseman with a hard, accurate, point shot. Hannan is a great one on one defenseman, but the Sharks would have easily beaten the Red Wings if they had a Wade Redden at the point on the powerplay (no disrespect to the Wings, but the Sharks sucked on the PP)>

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I wouldn't mind letting him go. It's insanely clear that the Sharks need a puck-moving defenseman with a hard, accurate, point shot. Hannan is a great one on one defenseman, but the Sharks would have easily beaten the Red Wings if they had a Wade Redden at the point on the powerplay (no disrespect to the Wings, but the Sharks sucked on the PP)>
LOL. Losing in six games to winning EASILY because of a good puck-moving defenseman?

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LOL. Losing in six games to winning EASILY because of a good puck-moving defenseman?
If you watched the series, you would see that the Sharks could not effectively break out of their zone very often. The Wings, with Nicklas Lidstrom making breakout passes, had little trouble doing this.

The Sharks powerplay got shut down for one reason. They didn't have an accurate point shot, allowing defenses to focus 100% on Joe Thornton on the half-wall. With someone like Mathieu Schneider on the point, opposing PKers would not be able to focus only on Thornton, because if they did, Schneider would be ripping shots from the point all day.

If the Sharks had a Timmonen, Schneider, or Rafalski, they score on the powerplay more often, and win the series.

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Sharks lost to the better team with the better coach, plain and simple.

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You guys sign Timonen, we'll sign Hannan.

It's an unspoken agreement that was just spoken!

it will be interesting to see what happens to Ron Wilson. We were positive Trotz was gone after this year's exit and the way it happened...but a little over a week later, he was extended.

I mentioned in another thread...I'm just glad that I can stop rooting for the Red Wings. I feel filthy.

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I mentioned in another thread...I'm just glad that I can stop rooting for the Red Wings. I feel filthy.
You too...I thought it was just me. I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one.

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You too...I thought it was just me. I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one.
Im dancing for joy! No Cup for Ron Wilson!

Now I can pull for Anaheim, they can beat the Wings, and everything will be fine.

The Ducks-Wings series is gonna be great, two really great teams going at each other.

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Uggh. I don't want Timonen. Sharks need an offensive defenseman with quality playoff experience.

You guys can have Hannan though.

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I'm with you guys...it was hard to know who to root for...but somehow I just can't stand the sharks anymore.

now I can go back to hating the Red Wings.

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If you watched the series, you would see that the Sharks could not effectively break out of their zone very often. The Wings, with Nicklas Lidstrom making breakout passes, had little trouble doing this.

The Sharks powerplay got shut down for one reason. They didn't have an accurate point shot, allowing defenses to focus 100% on Joe Thornton on the half-wall. With someone like Mathieu Schneider on the point, opposing PKers would not be able to focus only on Thornton, because if they did, Schneider would be ripping shots from the point all day.

If the Sharks had a Timmonen, Schneider, or Rafalski, they score on the powerplay more often, and win the series.

Neither Timonen, Schneider, nor Rafalski is Lidstrom. Lidstrom very rarely makes mistakes. Nashville was a team full of puck-moving blueliners and they couldn't clear the puck.

As for San Jose's PP, Nashville provided a fairly good blueprint (way too often) on how to effectively play against the San Jose PP.

The truth is that Detroit executed their game better overall. For those people that believe that size is everything, notice that Datsyuk and Zetterburg hasn't had too much problems scoring in the series. Who was the least penalized team overall? Detroit. That allowed their players to stay fresher and neutralize the size advantage the bigger San Jose team had.

Detroit played their game. They played a disciplined game. They executed well, and when San Jose did get an advantage (which is to be expected given that they are a very talented team) Detroit relied on their experience and belief that if they executed their style and game plan, they would win. They were right.


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You guys sign Timonen, we'll sign Hannan.

It's an unspoken agreement that was just spoken!

it will be interesting to see what happens to Ron Wilson. We were positive Trotz was gone after this year's exit and the way it happened...but a little over a week later, he was extended.

I mentioned in another thread...I'm just glad that I can stop rooting for the Red Wings. I feel filthy.
I'm not a fan of Brian Burke, plus I have a high respect for the vast majority of its organization and players.

Therefore, I hope Detroit beats Anaheim.

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I wouldn't mind letting him go. It's insanely clear that the Sharks need a puck-moving defenseman with a hard, accurate, point shot. Hannan is a great one on one defenseman, but the Sharks would have easily beaten the Red Wings if they had a Wade Redden at the point on the powerplay (no disrespect to the Wings, but the Sharks sucked on the PP)>
You can't have Pronger!

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Well, I can safely say there are three teams left that I will all equally root for against the Wings.

I do not think the Wings get past game 5 in this series. I truly believe the loss of Schneider will have a huge effect on the Anaheim series.

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It's funny how a series can turn on a dime. I have been reading the boards, the Wings fans were saying, we have to get bigger in the offseason after they were down 2-1. The more obnoxious of the Shark contingent began posting how great the Ducks/Sharks matchup would be, and totally jinxed them LOL

Then the Wings got the OT win and never lost the momentum from there. Now Wilson (who totally outcoached Trotz) needs to be axed.... Marleau needs to be traded? (I'd take him on the Preds thank you lol)

Oh well hopefully Poile and Trotzy can come up with a plan to get us over the hump next year. I don't know if we just need to get bigger or play wiser and have more vets on the team like the Wings.. They played much more composed.

Anyways now I will pull for the Duckies

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Its time for Poile to retool this ****in' defense ... and priority #1 is sign Scott ****in' Hannan
Look at that team, and why they lose. I wouldn't want anyone off that team.

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It's funny how a series can turn on a dime. I have been reading the boards, the Wings fans were saying, we have to get bigger in the offseason after they were down 2-1. The more obnoxious of the Shark contingent began posting how great the Ducks/Sharks matchup would be, and totally jinxed them LOL

Then the Wings got the OT win and never lost the momentum from there. Now Wilson (who totally outcoached Trotz) needs to be axed.... Marleau needs to be traded? (I'd take him on the Preds thank you lol)

Oh well hopefully Poile and Trotzy can come up with a plan to get us over the hump next year. I don't know if we just need to get bigger or play wiser and have more vets on the team like the Wings.. They played much more composed.

Anyways now I will pull for the Duckies
I wouldn't ... Lochness Monster award of the series goes to said player ... he was as white as a ghost and nowhere to be found ... and that's your captain ? ... oooookay then

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I wouldn't ... Lochness Monster award of the series goes to said player ... he was as white as a ghost and nowhere to be found ... and that's your captain ? ... oooookay then
Sharks fans are overreacting. He had one bad series. The guy has been a playoff stud for the Sharks previously. 6 points in 5 games against the Preds this year in the playoffs. 8 points in 5 games against the Preds last year in the playoffs. Not too shabby, eh?

I wouldn't be surprised to find out he played hurt in the Detroit series. He wasn't himself. Even if he was healthy, it was one series. Fans are entirely too fickle these days.

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Sharks fans are overreacting. He had one bad series. The guy has been a playoff stud for the Sharks previously. 6 points in 5 games against the Preds this year in the playoffs. 8 points in 5 games against the Preds last year in the playoffs. Not too shabby, eh?

I wouldn't be surprised to find out he played hurt in the Detroit series. He wasn't himself. Even if he was healthy, it was one series. Fans are entirely too fickle these days.
Excuses are for what ?

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I should have expected you to dodge the main parts of my post.



Don't worry. Marleau will be around next year in the playoffs when the Sharks battle the Preds. You can call him a ghost then.

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I wouldn't be surprised to find out he played hurt in the Detroit series. He wasn't himself. Even if he was healthy, it was one series. Fans are entirely too fickle these days.

Seperated shoulder.

Similarly, Calder is having a playoffs to forget, but he's rumored to have a broken hand.

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Seperated shoulder.

Similarly, Calder is having a playoffs to forget, but he's rumored to have a broken hand.
Calder has had a season to forget. We tried to tell Wings fans this would happen. He dissed the Flyers on his way out after he went out of his way to get an interview to tell the Flyers how excited he is to come here, and frankly Kukkonen and a 3rd, Flyers fans are thrilled with.

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Seperated shoulder.

Similarly, Calder is having a playoffs to forget, but he's rumored to have a broken hand.
Nope, he's just a dog. Enjoy.

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Its time for Poile to retool this ****in' defense ... and priority #1 is sign Scott ****in' Hannan
Is he really what you guys need? A one-dimensional defenseman? Don't get me wrong, I love Hannan's shut-down play, but thats all he really brings to the ice. I would love to see him out of our core D.

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Calder has had a season to forget. We tried to tell Wings fans this would happen. He dissed the Flyers on his way out after he went out of his way to get an interview to tell the Flyers how excited he is to come here, and frankly Kukkonen and a 3rd, Flyers fans are thrilled with.
With Detroit in the RS he had 14 pts in 19 games and was a +6. Wings fans are thrilled that he's a huge upgrade over Williams.

I guess this means the Blackhawks got screwed!

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Is he really what you guys need? A one-dimensional defenseman? Don't get me wrong, I love Hannan's shut-down play, but thats all he really brings to the ice. I would love to see him out of our core D.
I know it sounds odd, but yes, that's exactly what we need. We have enough one-dimensional OFFENSIVE d-men to balance him out...we need someone that does nothing but hang back and cover mistakes. Weber played a nice shutdown role this year, but with getting more time on the PP, it'd be nice if someone else could spell him a bit, ES.

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