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The Offer Sheet Flow Chart

Since the offseason (for some of us) speculation about RFAs getting offer sheet cropped up:

Offer Sheet Flow Chart:
  1. Can a simular play be found on the trade market?
  2. Can a simular player be had on the UFA market?
  3. Can the RFA just be traded for?
  4. Can an offer be made that his team might not match?
  5. Is he worth the money it would take to pry him out?
  6. Is he worth the compensation it would take to pry him out?
  7. Will he even sign an offer sheet?

So last year one guy, Kessler, made it through all those steps.

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1. Do I want to screw over the team?
2. Will he even sign an offer sheet?

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8. Am I prepared to deal with the obvious bad karma that will be heaped on my team by the fans of the other team, causing the team to utterly fail and probably costing me [the GM considering all of this] my job?

Otherwise, I think you have it all listed.

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8. Am I prepared to deal with the obvious bad karma that will be heaped on my team by the fans of the other team, causing the team to utterly fail and probably costing me [the GM considering all of this] my job?

Otherwise, I think you have it all listed.
although it was not said, when Clarke was removed the Kessler contract was hanging over his head and it was a bad contract offer and I think that raised a few eyebrows around the league.

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although it was not said, when Clarke was removed the Kessler contract was hanging over his head and it was a bad contract offer and I think that raised a few eyebrows around the league.
the fact is clarke was never removed, he resigned. and furthermore offer sheets are in the c.b.a. that makes them perfectly legal. why would a g.m. not use one of the options offered to him. if he didn't he wouldn't be doing his job


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Toronto tried to get Selanne before his rookie season that way if i remember correctly

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People know Kesler only has one S, right?

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If we're pointing out spelling errors, I love "simular"

Me no pass English. That's unpossible.

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With the salary cap going after RFA's makes to much sense for teams not to do it. I don't understand why the put it in the CBA if its looked down upon, thats absurd. The league is about winning not "good karma". Not only can you put an offer sheet on a guy and maybe get that player but if your targeting another UFA from that team you may force the team into letting that player go and then try to snatch him up yourself.

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With the salary cap going after RFA's makes to much sense for teams not to do it. I don't understand why the put it in the CBA if its looked down upon, thats absurd. The league is about winning not "good karma". Not only can you put an offer sheet on a guy and maybe get that player but if your targeting another UFA from that team you may force the team into letting that player go and then try to snatch him up yourself.
What you say is true. It is a legitimate option that can be used equally by any team who wants to take advantage- regardless of whether they actually get the desired RFA or just end up forcing another team's hand.

I think the reason why there has been a silent "code" amongst GMs to avoid tendering RFA offer sheets is that if this strategy was widely used the end result would be increased movement of younger players.

Would this be bad for hockey? Arguably yes.

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Toronto tried to get Selanne before his rookie season that way if i remember correctly
I think you're referring to Ohlund. I might be way off, but I thought that TOR made an offer to Ohlund before he ever came to the Canucks.

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Crosby and AO seem like good targets for offer sheets, but they'd be at 8-9 million a year next summer. Phaneuf would be a good one as well, especially since Calgary will need to sign Iginla and Kipper then too. This summer I doubt any offer sheets happen as there aren't any marquee franchise type guys to make offers to. The Kesler offer sheet seemed like a bust, as Kesler really isn't worth anywhere near that kind of money though Clarke did screw over Vancouver, which I guess may have been his goal, who knows.

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It might be worthwhile to pass on Offering Crosby an offer sheet and wait until Malkin and Staal's contracts come up.

Then again, hit Pittsburgh early by offering Crosby something good that they need to match and THEN offer Malkin and Staal.

I know that's what I'd do.

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No one will be tendering offer sheets. Neil Smith is still paying the price for the Sakic offer sheet.

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This summer I doubt any offer sheets happen as there aren't any marquee franchise type guys to make offers to. The Kesler offer sheet seemed like a bust, as Kesler really isn't worth anywhere near that kind of money though Clarke did screw over Vancouver, which I guess may have been his goal, who knows.
Vanek is viable at say, $3.99 million.

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What if certain teams offered offer sheets just so they can force their competition to pay MORE to keep their own players and make them run into player payroll issues? just try to screw them over this way?

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Vanek is viable at say, $3.99 million.
Yeah, it really depends on what happens right when the UFAs get signed. You gotta pick a team close to the cap. For example if Philly signs Giguerre and Briere (for like 15M combined) before they sign Richards and Carter then a 2.9M offer to Carter and a 1.9M offer to Richards become good ideas.

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People know Kesler only has one S, right?
That's question #9.

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It was probably Holmgren that orchestrated the Kesler offer anyway... bad karma my ass

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No one will be tendering offer sheets. Neil Smith is still paying the price for the Sakic offer sheet.
I can't wait to hear the explanation justifying this one ...

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What if certain teams offered offer sheets just so they can force their competition to pay MORE to keep their own players and make them run into player payroll issues? just try to screw them over this way?
Sure, a team could do that but they'd be risking having someone do the exact same thing to them. For example say the Sharks try to sign a Ducks RFA to an offer sheet just to force the Ducks to have to pay a player more money than he might be worth and hurt a division rival cap wise, so perhaps they can't afford to sign Giguere this summer (if he tests the market). Odds are then that the Ducks would then try to sign a SJ RFA to an offer sheet to drive up SJ's salary structure. The Sharks might think it could be worth it to mess with a division rival's cap structure and roster, but chances are in that situation Anaheim would then try to screw SJ in another move.

Not to mention it could also backfire on the team making the offer sheet. The Rangers could sign a player from the Devils to an offer sheet that's overpays the player by $1 mil per season, trying to force the Devils to match the offer sheet. Well there's always the possibility that the Devils wouldn't match the offer sheet and then the Rangers are stuck with a player that they might not have really wanted and who is going to be overpaid.

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the fact is clarke was never removed, he resigned. and furthermore offer sheets are in the c.b.a. that makes them perfectly legal. why would a g.m. not use one of the options offered to him. if he didn't he wouldn't be doing his job
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In seriousness, a few more steps need to be added ... so it should probably look like this:

Offer Sheet Flow Chart:
  1. Are all of the RFA's that I want to keep signed to a contract?
  2. Do I still have enough cap space to consider signing another team's RFA to an offer sheet?
  3. Can a simular player be had on the UFA market?
  4. Can a simular play be found on the trade market?
  5. Can the RFA just be traded for?
  6. Can an offer be made that his team might not match?
  7. Is he worth the money it would take to pry him out?
  8. Is he worth the compensation it would take to pry him out?
  9. Will it handcuff my team wrt the cap in future years?
  10. Will he even sign an offer sheet?

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its called collusion and the NHL GM's are doing it. If they ever get caught there will be hell to pay.

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8. Am I prepared to deal with the obvious bad karma that will be heaped on my team by the fans of the other team, causing the team to utterly fail and probably costing me [the GM considering all of this] my job?
That said and if it worked that way ..

Now the question is how many teams are going to go the BAD KARMA route when the end result will be John Tavares as the reward at then end in a few years ..

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