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06-19-2007, 11:32 PM
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Modern Era: Cup Winner with No Homegrown Talent?

Was wondering if any Cup Winner had achieved the feat without any homegrown talent in the modern era...and if not, what is the fewest?

Thanks in advance.

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06-19-2007, 11:36 PM
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Was wondering if any Cup Winner had achieved the feat without any homegrown talent in the modern era...and if not, what is the fewest?

Thanks in advance.
The last 3 seasons...

Tampa?
Carolina?
Anaheim?

Homegrown talent? Hardly.

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Let me clarify by saying when I say talent, I mean roster player. So in essence, team with fewest homegrown players...

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Do you mean players drafted by the team?

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Do you mean players drafted by the team?
Yep. Or even signed as undrafted...player has to have spent his entire career within that organization

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06-20-2007, 12:13 AM
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Anaheim's scouting played a huge role in the championship run. Seems like their undrafted signees have done better than most team's first round picks.

I would probably consider Giguere homegrown too. He didn't really develop until he came into that organization.

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06-20-2007, 01:05 AM
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Was wondering if any Cup Winner had achieved the feat without any homegrown talent in the modern era...and if not, what is the fewest?

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TEAMSEASONTot PlayersHomegrown%
NYR1993-9425520,00%
TB2003-0425624,00%
CAR2005-0625832,00%
PIT1990-9127933,33%
DAL1998-9925936,00%
COL1995-9624937,50%
PIT1991-92311238,71%
DET2001-0223939,13%
CHI1960-6121942,86%
DET1935-3616743,75%
PHI1974-75211047,62%
TOR1963-64201050,00%
EDM1984-85241250,00%
EDM1987-88221150,00%
EDM1989-90241250,00%
DET1996-97251352,00%
DET1997-98251352,00%
COL2000-01231252,17%
EDM1983-84211152,38%
MTM1934-3517952,94%
TOR1966-67221254,55%
CHI1937-38201155,00%
BOS1971-72201155,00%
NJ1994-95251456,00%
BOS1928-2916956,25%
PHI1973-74231356,52%
CGY1988-89231356,52%
DET1936-37211257,14%
TOR1961-62211257,14%
BOS1969-70211257,14%
NJ1999-00251560,00%
NJ2002-03251560,00%
TOR1931-32161062,50%
EDM1986-87241562,50%
BOS1940-41171164,71%
TOR1962-63201365,00%
CHI1933-34181266,67%
MTL1992-93271866,67%
DET1953-54201470,00%
BOS1938-39171270,59%
DET1951-52171270,59%
NYI1982-83241770,83%
MTM1925-26141071,43%
MTL1929-30141071,43%
MTL1945-46181372,22%
NYR1927-28151173,33%
NYR1932-33151173,33%
MTL1943-44151173,33%
DET1942-43191473,68%
NYI1979-80231773,91%
NYI1980-81231773,91%
NYI1981-82231773,91%
MTL1930-31161275,00%
DET1949-50241875,00%
TOR1948-49211676,19%
TOR1950-51211676,19%
MTL1965-66221777,27%
TOR1944-45181477,78%
MTL1985-86272177,78%
MTL1952-53231878,26%
MTL1975-76201680,00%
MTL1970-71221881,82%
MTL1977-78231982,61%
DET1954-55181583,33%
MTL1976-77242083,33%
MTL1978-79242083,33%
TOR1941-42191684,21%
TOR1947-48191684,21%
TOR1917-18131184,62%
MTL1923-24131184,62%
MTL1964-65211885,71%
MTL1968-69211885,71%
MTL1972-73211885,71%
MTL1958-59221986,36%
NYR1939-40161487,50%
TOR1946-47191789,47%
MTL1955-56191789,47%
MTL1957-58211990,48%
MTL1967-68211990,48%
OTT11926-27121191,67%
TOR1921-22141392,86%
MTL1956-57191894,74%
MTL1959-60201995,00%
OTT11919-201111100,00%
OTT11920-211111100,00%
OTT11922-231010100,00%


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MTL 1985-86 33 26 78,79%
This sticks out in that list. Very high percentage for a modern team.

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This sticks out in that list. Very high percentage for a modern team.
That year tons of rookies from the Sherbrooke Canadiens joined the team after they won the Calder Cup in 85 that's why there is a high %.

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Wow

Since 1990 The New Jersey Devils are ranked #2, #3, #4 for most homegrown talent that won the Cup.

Since 1995 they own the top 3 spots lol.

I knew we had alot of homegrown talent, but i didn't know nobody was even close.

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06-20-2007, 10:37 AM
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Was wondering if any Cup Winner had achieved the feat without any homegrown talent in the modern era...and if not, what is the fewest?

Thanks in advance.
Your 94 Rangers come to mind. That team was almost exclusively Oilers and Hawks...

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Your 94 Rangers come to mind. That team was almost exclusively Oilers and Hawks...
Makes you think that if a team composed of so many Oiler players past their peaks could win the Cup in 1994. What would have happened if the Oilers hadn't traded Gretzky and then Messier? How long would they have been contenders?

The Oilers managed to win the Cup in 1990, and made the 3rd round in 1991 and 1992. And by 1992 they were a shell of their fomer team with Messier, Gretzky, Coffey, Kurri, Anderson, moog and Fuhr gone from the glory days. The only "core" dynasty players they had left were Tikkanen and Lowe (who both moved on the the Rangers Cup team) and yet that team still made it to the third round.

93/94 Rangers: Messier, Graves, Tikkanen, Lowe, Beukeboom, Anderson, MacTavish
were all former Oilers from the glory years.

Add in the 93/94 Kings team that made the finals the previous year: Gretzky, Kurri, McSorley, Huddy and the former Oilers core made 2 straight finals.

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The Rangers were loaded with former Oilers and Hawks but it could be argued it was the home grown players who were most responsible for winning the cup (Leetch, Richter, Kovalev, Zubov, and Nemchinov).

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The Rangers were loaded with former Oilers and Hawks but it could be argued it was the home grown players who were most responsible for winning the cup (Leetch, Richter, Kovalev, Zubov, and Nemchinov).
Of course though it was the Oiler guys that KNEW how to win. The Oilers kept winning in the playoffs when their best players had left and when all that remained were MacTavish, Tikkanen and Lowe.

If you make up 1/3 of your team with former dynasty players that really, really, know how to win playoff battles then you are already half way there.

Those Oiler teams were so much playoff driven teams. They really were so much like Grant Fuhr. They just lazed through the regular season and because they were SO good they still often won the President's Trophy. But come playoffs they were infinitily better than they were in the regular season.

People talk about Messier's leadership and Gretzky was a fantastic leader too. But after the first 2 Cups and then the loss to the Flames I think that the entire Oilers squad was made up of HUGE leadership guys. I can't imagine a better core of WINNING players ever assembled except maybe some of the Habs dynasties.

Tikkanen was the least of the Oilers star forwards and he basically threw the Oilers on his back in the 1990-92 playoffs. Kurri kept being a playoff winner when Gretzky left. McSorley, MacTavish, Lowe, Huddy were huge winners. The guys they added later on in their 5 Cup run like Gelinas and Graves became huge winners and leaders. Moog was a great goalie for Boston. Anderson brought his big game play and carefree attitude to Toronto and they went to the third round twice then he goes to the Rangers and they win the Cup. Steve Smith went on to be a pivotal player on the renaissance of the Hawks into a great early 1990's team. Basically anyone associated with those Oiler teams ended up to have a great deal of personal and team success.

That was such an amazing team to assemble in a 21 team NHL and to keep adjusting the pieces after the Gretzky trade.

If they kept that team together the Oilers could have won 8-10 Cups.

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I think about the Pens, and the names that really stick out to me are the ones who came up through the system (Stevens, Lemieux, Jagr, Recchi)

But I guess when you consider the trades CP pulled off, it shouldn't be that surprising that Pittsburgh has two teams in the top 7...

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Did the '96 Panthers have any of their draft picks in the lineup when they made the finals?
Not sure if they had any more, but Neidermayer and Jovo both played for them.

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Did the '96 Panthers have any of their draft picks in the lineup when they made the finals?
Dvorak Radek
Jovanovski Ed
Niedermayer Rob
Smyth Brad (FA)
Warrener Rhett
Washburn Steve

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NHL Homegrown Players %


SEASONPlayersHomegrown%
1917-18514588,24%
1918-19363083,33%
1919-20504386,00%
1920-21483572,92%
1921-22473472,34%
1922-23443375,00%
1923-24543972,22%
1924-25866575,58%
1925-261077469,16%
1926-2715911471,70%
1927-2815010368,67%
1928-291519059,60%
1929-3016010364,38%
1930-3118512768,65%
1931-321529562,50%
1932-3317110460,82%
1933-341769352,84%
1934-351798648,04%
1935-361709555,88%
1936-3717610257,95%
1937-3816610160,84%
1938-391559661,94%
1939-401499261,74%
1940-4115110972,19%
1941-4216011773,13%
1942-4314310674,13%
1943-4415411574,68%
1944-451339269,17%
1945-4614010575,00%
1946-4715011979,33%
1947-4815412077,92%
1948-4914710772,79%
1949-5017013177,06%
1950-5117011668,24%
1951-5215710667,52%
1952-5316111470,81%
1953-5415511070,97%
1954-5515711271,34%
1955-561479967,35%
1956-5715011073,33%
1957-5815910867,92%
1958-591459364,14%
1959-6015510165,16%
1960-6116010565,63%
1961-621519965,56%
1962-6315510567,74%
1963-6416810361,31%
1964-6517211265,12%
1965-6618511160,00%
1966-6717911162,01%
1967-6832916750,76%
1968-6933116750,45%
1969-7032717152,29%
1970-7139218146,17%
1971-7238617545,34%
1972-7340620049,26%
1973-7444023152,50%
1974-7550725249,70%
1975-7649324549,70%
1976-7750727053,25%
1977-7851329557,50%
1978-7950327955,47%
1979-8066033250,30%
1980-8164336356,45%
1981-8269041259,71%
1982-8367939858,62%
1983-8469439857,35%
1984-8567541060,74%
1985-8669341760,17%
1986-8768840759,16%
1987-8874842757,09%
1988-8973640655,16%
1989-9073238752,87%
1990-9174539653,15%
1991-9278934643,85%
1992-9379433442,07%
1993-9487833838,50%
1994-9580931338,69%
1995-9686033438,84%
1996-9785232337,91%
1997-9883631437,56%
1998-9990532535,91%
1999-0092633035,64%
2000-0197836537,32%
2001-0296936837,98%
2002-0398236737,37%
2003-04101742341,59%
2005-0697142643,87%


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