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06-22-2007, 03:15 PM
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I could also see the Caps moving up from 28 to go after Backlund or maybe Couture. My impression is they really like Backlund and I won't be stunned if they take him at 5.



I don't like Esposito at all. I wouldn't take him at 28, let alone 5. He's an extremely selfish player in the games I watched. There's definitely physical talent, but zero hockey sense.
McPhee better have his bags packed if they pick Backlund at 5.


Does selfish play equate to no hockey sense? I don't see it that way.

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06-22-2007, 03:19 PM
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McPhee better have his bags packed if they pick Backlund at 5.

Does selfish play equate to no hockey sense? I don't see it that way.
I'll drive up to columbus myself and help him pack if he tries that ****.

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That may be true. But I get the impression that when people say it is a weak draft they are talking about the first round as a whole. Sure, you don't have a crosby or ovechkin in the draft, but you can't tell me none of these guys don't have the ability to perform like Jordan Staal (as a recent example).

I think teams that pick kane, voracek, gagner, alzner, cherepanov are all going to end up with second line talent at the least. I left off turris and JvR because of the competition they play against. There are certainly questions about guys in the 10-20 range, but the top 6-10 are probably going to be contributors in the nhl.

Say we trade the 5th and more for Marleau instead of drafting Voracek. On July 1 08 he walks away. Voracek would probably be stepping into a second line RW role in sept. 08. He'd be around for 7 years (baring trades and RFA sniping, of course). Is it right for your team to have 1 potentially good year before returning to mediocrity? Or is it better to build the base for a long term playoff contender?
You don't make that trade unless you're reasonably sure you can sign Marleau to an extension. I'm not big on getting him anyway, I'm more for Morrison with a 2nd rounder, or something similar.
I don't like keeping this pick for the reason that the players available at #5 are all the type of players we already have: a #4 D in Alzner, 2nd line wings and one center in Gagner, who has been riding shotgun on a great offensive team, and may lack big league skills. It never really hurts to have redundant players, but the trade value for the #5 overall should be at its highest right now

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06-22-2007, 03:23 PM
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Does selfish play equate to no hockey sense? I don't see it that way.

I would say yes more often than not. Especially from the center position where you have more responsibility and more opportunity to use your teammates.

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I get the feeling that Gagner is going to be the pick. He trains really hard and is the son of an NHLer. I know from my experiences with the Caps that they'll like that and won't like Voracek's lack of strength and conditioning.(Watch them take him now).

I could also see the Caps moving up from 28 to go after Backlund or maybe Couture. My impression is they really like Backlund and I won't be stunned if they take him at 5.

The guys I really like in this draft are Van Riemsdyk, Cherepanov, and Kane.

I'm not as high on Gagner as most. He leaves himself too open for big hits and a lot of his production came on the PP. In fairness to him, he's young and hasn't had a lot of experience against top competition.

I like Aliu from the video I've seen. Physically he's top 5 IMO. He could become a very popular player if the attitude thing doesn't ruin him.

I don't like Esposito at all. I wouldn't take him at 28, let alone 5. He's an extremely selfish player in the games I watched. There's definitely physical talent, but zero hockey sense.
Well, the Caps did draft a guy like Semin before, who probably was a much less safe pick than Voracek or Cherepanov...

Damn, I hate this "bloodline" reasoning when it comes to a top-5 pick. And the stuff you say about Gagner is alarming.. thanks for the info, I hope your feeling is wrong

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You don't make that trade unless you're reasonably sure you can sign Marleau to an extension. I'm not big on getting him anyway, I'm more for Morrison with a 2nd rounder, or something similar.
I don't like keeping this pick for the reason that the players available at #5 are all the type of players we already have: a #4 D in Alzner, 2nd line wings and one center in Gagner, who has been riding shotgun on a great offensive team, and may lack big league skills. It never really hurts to have redundant players, but the trade value for the #5 overall should be at its highest right now
But how do you know if you can sign him? There really isn't any way to know, even if you talk to his agent before sealing the deal...which isn't going to be possible when you are trying to finalize a deal while on the clock.

And I'd rather have morrison as well, but I was just using a popular example.

I just don't think you trade top 5 picks unless you are getting elite players in return. I don't know that I'd say that marleau or morrison are elite. Very good, yes. But you don't get the luxury of having top 5 picks very often unless you are consistently bad, and we know the caps are trying to change that. So I think you have to keep the pick. I know McPhee wants to have as many picks as possible to increase the probability of getting NHL caliber players, but a good trade for later picks would be applauded by me. Trading the 5th would be upsetting.

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The TSN Insider's Forecast: Aside from Pat Kane, no draft eligible player played the game at as high a level this season as Russian forward Alexei Cherepanov. He set a goal scoring record for an 18-year old in the Russian SuperLeague and, next to Kane, he was regarded as the most dynamic presence at the World Junior Championship. But he has two considerable knocks against him. One of them he has no control over. He's a Russian. And in the absence of a transfer agreement between the Russian federation and the NHL, many NHL teams will be hesitant if not completely opposed to taking a Russian prospect, especially in the first five or six picks of the draft. But make no mistake, his talent level is consistent with a No. 1 to No. 5 pick. The other criticism, though, is that for as highly skilled and talented Cherepanov is, he is tremendously inconsistent, maddeningly frustrating and a player who only turns it on when he feels like it. "Talented but temperamental," one scout said. "He's either the best player on the ice or he's not even there. There's no in between. When the effort is there, he can dominate and score goals like no one else in the draft. When the effort isn't there, you feel like giving him a shake." If teams in the top five pass him over, there is no telling what's to become of him in this draft. At some point, though, transfer agreement or not, someone has to step up on a player this talented.
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The TSN Insider's Forecast: In some respects, Halifax Moosehead forward Jakub Voracek is the polar opposite of Alexei Cherepanov. Voracek is an all-around type player, a solid two-way threat who is rated a better playmaker than a natural goal-scorer. He provides a consistent work ethic most nights, isn't particularly flashy but plays a mature game at both ends of the ice. His game is well suited to the North American style and his versatility is a key plus as he can play all three forward positions as well as the point on the power play. He has exhibited leadership and character with the Mooseheads, is said to be well liked by his teammates and is the all-around solid citizen. But he's not going to put up huge numbers. He's considered a safe pick; someone who will play for sure in the NHL and is rated as one of the players most ready to step into the pro game immediately.
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The TSN Insider's Forecast: Along with Pat Kane, Sam Gagner ripped up the OHL this season. The London Knights' forward has spectacular highlight-reel puckhandling skills. As one scout said, "he can do things with the puck that other players in this draft only dream about." But for all the fancy dangles, he also has a lethal shot. But as his 83 assists, as opposed to his 35 goals, will attest, his strength is as a creative playmaker with great vision and passing ability. He is slightly bigger than Kane, a little thicker, but some scouts are concerned how his game will translate at the pro level and wonder if he isn't destined to be a power-play specialist in the NHL whose effectiveness 5-on-5 is limited. "Skating is okay, not like his Dad's," said one scout of former NHL speedster Dave Gagner, who was blessed with great wheels but didn't have nearly the creativity or vision that his son brings to the table. For him to be more than a PP guy, scouts believe he will have to learn to win more battles and increase his competitiveness, but they duly note that this is a young man with character and work ethic who grew up in a pro environment and understands what it takes to play at the next level and will work diligently toward that goal. For whatever concerns there may be about him, it's difficult to find anyone who believes he won't be taken in the top 10 of this draft.
Some interesting things from the TSN prospect list for the players that I think should be on the caps radar at #5.

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06-22-2007, 03:41 PM
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But how do you know if you can sign him? There really isn't any way to know, even if you talk to his agent before sealing the deal...which isn't going to be possible when you are trying to finalize a deal while on the clock.
Right. You'd have to talk with him and his agent beforehand. You don't give up that #5 pick for one year and a hope and a prayer. I couldn't see giving up the #5 straight up for any one player this year. It'd have to be a package kind of thing, maybe something along the lines of Morrsion and Ohlund for Eminger, Bourque and the #5, tho that trade makes little sense to Vancouver, since they're a playoff team. I'd keep the pick if I can't get anything decent in return. No sense in giving it away. I'd be as conservative as GMGM in trading if I had his job. But I'd certainly be listening to offers

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Gagner wouldn't surprise me in the least, wouldn't be my pick at #5 but I wouldn't be unhappy with the selection.

Battle, your Espo views surprise me. Up until and during the O6' Mem cup he was selfish IMO. A perimeter player waiting for his team to provide him scoring opportunites.

This year, the knock I see, hear, read etc is that he's not selfish enough. He's learned to support the puck well in all three zones, and be where he's got to be. He still doesn't get involved physically, but the most frequent knock I see on him is he does little more than support the play, i.e they'd love for him to get the confidence to be a little selfish once in a while, develop more of a shoot first reflex, drive the net for the first time in his life, and start making plays he's capable of rather than just dishing it off and serving as little more than a capable give-and-go machine for his linemates.

Anyway - there's talent going to waste in that kid, but I dont see selfish in the mix myself. Especially after the u-18's where he seemed to cling to the strong two way play and defensive responsibility more than his offensive game and again frustrated everyone by not stepping up and maybe making the big individual play once in a blue moon.

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I could also see the Caps moving up from 28 to go after Backlund or maybe Couture. My impression is they really like Backlund and I won't be stunned if they take him at 5.
Vsters coach Johan Thornberg was interviewed in swedish television last night. He said that Backlund has the body of a man and one of the best shots hes ever seen.

From what I have read about Backlund (and the little Ive seen) in comparation to danish prospect Lars Eller, Backlund is a little better in everything but passingskills. Great skating, good acceleration, good physical play and is a great leader. Needs to improve his play whithout the puck, backchecking and consistency.

Id be very happy if they traded up to pick him.

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I would say yes more often than not. Especially from the center position where you have more responsibility and more opportunity to use your teammates.

To me, if it's over a prolonged period of time, it equates to extremely poor coaching because you're either not getting through to your players or you're not trying to change his style of play. When he centered Radulov, didn't the guy have a monster season goal scoring wise?

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To me, if it's over a prolonged period of time, it equates to extremely poor coaching because you're either not getting through to your players or you're not trying to change his style of play. When he centered Radulov, didn't the guy have a monster season goal scoring wise?

Yes, but that was more Radulov that it was Esposito.

Goodie: I can only go on the games I saw. I did not see the U-18s. He tried to do too much by himself in Quebec. A game in particular against Halifax(and Voracek) comes to mind. He didn't pass the puck well at all and tried to go end to end by himself. In that game the difference between the two(Voracek and Esposito) was a whole world. I wouldn't touch him. one thing I'll say is he definitely wasn't a perimeter player. He went after the puck and went hard to the net.

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from McGuire of tsn:

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This year, when you look at the most skilled, you have to go to Patrick Kane. He's got escapability, he's got skills, he can really roof the puck. He'll remind you of Peter Forsberg. He's a left-hand shot who plays on the right side, though he can also play centre. Kane brings it every night offensively.
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The best shooter is Kyle Turris, who had 66 goals playing for the Burnaby Express in the BCHL. He's got a lightning quick release and can really roof-daddy the puck. That's the sign of a pure goal scorer.

The smartest players are Kane and Turris. Kane is so good at creating time and space for himself. He's got nifty moves, but also knows how to move the puck quickly.
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The most NHL-ready player is Alexei Cherepanov. He's already played against men in the Russian Super League. Cherepanov is skilled, smart and physical - he's not soft - and he loves to score.

FWIW, no mention of Gagner, Voracek, etc..

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Just got checked into my hotel here in Columbus, and will be heading over to Nationwide arena in 15 - 20 minutes or so. Just as a quick word of clarification, I'll be blogging from press row, not at the draft table, though that would have been way, way cool.

Hopefully I should be settled and blogging @ 5:30.

As usiel posted, time permitting, I may be able to read e-mail
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Just got checked into my hotel here in Columbus, and will be heading over to Nationwide arena in 15 - 20 minutes or so. Just as a quick word of clarification, I'll be blogging from press row, not at the draft table, though that would have been way, way cool.

Hopefully I should be settled and blogging @ 5:30.

As usiel posted, time permitting, I may be able to read e-mail
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Looking forward to it.
The only thing I would ask is if McPhee is talking to any GM in what looks like a serious manner, to get that info to us as quickly as possible. Thanx Marshall

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To me, if it's over a prolonged period of time, it equates to extremely poor coaching because you're either not getting through to your players or you're not trying to change his style of play. When he centered Radulov, didn't the guy have a monster season goal scoring wise?
Radulov had a monster season period, 152pts (61/91) and I believe led the entire CHL in scoring

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Radulov had a monster season period, 152pts (61/91) and I believe led the entire CHL in scoring

My not so obvious (I guess) point, was if he had a selfish center who didn't pass to him, would he have had such a big season?

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I wouldn't say Esposito is selfish, per se, moreso lacking in creativity and top-end hockey sense. He's got a decent enough skill-set...good agility and decent defensive responsibility but lacks that extra notch and the tenacity to create something out of nothing.

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45 mins til go time....still no trades from us. Guess McPhee is keeping the ole powder dry.

Voracek or Cherpy will do.

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My guess is GMGM doesn't make a deal until he knows how the top 4 picks shake out. If his guy is still available, he'll make the pick and then go on to consider his other contigency trades. If not, then he'll pull the trigger.

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Toronto GM John Ferguson Jr. just revealed that this years draft has the potential to be one of the most exciting in recent memory. In discussing the acquisition of Toskala and Mark Bell, Ferguson admitted there has been more trade chatter among his peers than at past drafts. I was talking to one of my colleagues today and he said that if everything goes on that has been talked about, its going to be a circus tonight, he said. So, it should be exciting. The rumors are flying fast and furious now on the draft floor. According to the scuttlebutt, both Phoenix and Vancouver are making last-ditch efforts to pry the No. 1 pick away from Chicago. It appears both suitors are interested in selecting the top-ranked Kyle Turris if they can pry the pick away from Chicago GM Dale Tallon.

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Kevin Prendergast of the Edmonton front office mentioned on 630 CHED Radio that Washington and LA are looking to move down.

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