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06-21-2007, 09:15 AM
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So? The last time Fedorov won the Selke was eleven years ago. That player is long gone.
I didn't say that Fedorov is the same player he was back then. I'm saying Fedorovs best quality is his defensive play, while there are no words to explain how terrible Lang is in the defense.

So it kind of cancels out the stat-comparison. Anyone who says Fedorov of today is not an upgrade from Lang is out of his mind.

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06-21-2007, 09:27 AM
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That would be Effing Awesome for Detroit.

While Fedorov's bloated contract has made him unattractive for the last couple of seasons, I think he's actually rounded into as solid a support player that any NHL team could ask for in his late years. He's not the flashy player he once was that could be depended on to do the bulk of your scoring, but he still has most of his skating skill, he's still a great passer, he has the 100 MPH slapper, he's defensively responsible, and from what Columbus reports, he's turned into a real leader.

The only question for me is, does Detroit take on his contract soon and make a big trade with Columbus or do they wait until the trade deadline, hoping that Columbus isn't in the playoff race, and pick him up then. And if they do want to wait, would Detroit get a better deal because Columbus would want to get something for him before he's a UFA or is he more costly because of the demand for him?

Again, picking up Feds for a Cup run would be a smart decision, IMO.

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06-21-2007, 09:52 AM
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might as well weigh in here. If Feds would sign cheap, some where around the $1M range then there is no reason in the world why Detroit should not pick him up. That would still leave an extra $2M to use elsewhere.

Yes, he's a shell of his former self but it would be lunacy if he didn't at least score 20 goals here next season. Hell, we could almost have an entire Russian line again if we stuck Feds with Datsyuk and Grigorenko with Markov [he's Russian right?] on defense! albeit that wouldn't come close to matching the old Russian 5, but hey, it would be cool.

and you sure as hell wouldn't see Fedorov sitting around for a minute on the ice while opponents steal the puck away from him and score.

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06-21-2007, 10:24 AM
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That would be Effing Awesome for Detroit.

While Fedorov's bloated contract has made him unattractive for the last couple of seasons, I think he's actually rounded into as solid a support player that any NHL team could ask for in his late years. He's not the flashy player he once was that could be depended on to do the bulk of your scoring, but he still has most of his skating skill, he's still a great passer, he has the 100 MPH slapper, he's defensively responsible, and from what Columbus reports, he's turned into a real leader.

The only question for me is, does Detroit take on his contract soon and make a big trade with Columbus or do they wait until the trade deadline, hoping that Columbus isn't in the playoff race, and pick him up then. And if they do want to wait, would Detroit get a better deal because Columbus would want to get something for him before he's a UFA or is he more costly because of the demand for him?

Again, picking up Feds for a Cup run would be a smart decision, IMO.

Why we're discussing Fedorov in the Lang thread is interesting...

However, the idea was that Columbus would buy out Sergei's contract. No way Detroit pays him $6 MM, or even at the deadline, giving up assets of some type to pay $2 MM or so for a couple of months of play. The premise is that they sign him AFTER he gets bought out.

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06-21-2007, 11:42 AM
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No way Detroit pays him $6 MM, or even at the deadline, giving up assets of some type to pay $2 MM or so for a couple of months of play.
Ahem. See Todd Bertuzzi.

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06-21-2007, 11:50 AM
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Ahem. See Todd Bertuzzi.
Come on, Tin. You know you are taking this out of context.

How old is Fedorov?

How old is Bertuzzi?

What were the Wings trying to bring in when they got Todd?

Are Todd and Feds similar types of players?

Was the latter a risk? And might it still work out if he recovers from his injuries?

And the nit picker point? It was $5.2 MM, prorated of course.

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06-21-2007, 03:07 PM
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What if Columbus buys out Foote's contract instead? Would you rather have him on the team?

As much as I hated him on the Avs so many years ago, he a good, hard-nosed defenseman who is great to have on your team, but a PITA to play against...

... granted, I haven't kept up with his play in the past couple of seasons...

... and this could be another thread entirely...

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06-21-2007, 05:41 PM
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What if Columbus buys out Foote's contract instead? Would you rather have him on the team?

As much as I hated him on the Avs so many years ago, he a good, hard-nosed defenseman who is great to have on your team, but a PITA to play against...

... granted, I haven't kept up with his play in the past couple of seasons...

... and this could be another thread entirely...
Nope. I'd rather have Fedorov than Foote. Even if both would come over as a defenseman.

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06-21-2007, 08:31 PM
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not to mention what fedorov would bring back to the wings power play

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06-21-2007, 09:04 PM
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thank ****

bye bye lang

still sucks that he was on fire in '04 and got hurt, but man, he sucked serious dong last year

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bye lang... dont let the door hit you on the way out, wouldnt want you to move too fast now.. oh wait i think you took good care of that this year

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i laugh at how many ppl want feds back, the guy has lost a step... its sad, but its true... hes not the 2002 fedorov or the 1997 fedorov... hes the aging older sergei.. ill say no thanks and continue to get younger and quicker

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06-21-2007, 09:52 PM
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i laugh at how many ppl want feds back, the guy has lost a step... its sad, but its true... hes not the 2002 fedorov or the 1997 fedorov... hes the aging older sergei.. ill say no thanks and continue to get younger and quicker
Lost step or not, if brought over he could easily replace Lang, Draper, and/or Schneider. Even old and out of his prime he has the tools to be a very valuable and versatile player.

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06-21-2007, 09:56 PM
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Fedorov would be a very good option for the Wings at a cheap price, this guy can probably still play not to mention that he can replace Schneider on the PP if Matt is not brought back.

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Lost step or not, if brought over he could easily replace Lang, Draper, and/or Schneider. Even old and out of his prime he has the tools to be a very valuable and versatile player.

this point brought up about replacing schneider is very attractive to me , we'd save alot of cap and get a better player .

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06-22-2007, 09:46 AM
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Fedorov would be a poor man's Schneider now (though real Schneider might ask for too much so I would entertain the thought if he was cheap).

How do you figure that? The two players are the same age, and one of the two can play virtually any position on the ice except goal. I don't think anyone has accused Matt of having a better slapshot than Feds, which is why the suggestion was made that Feds could man the point on the PP just as effectively as Matty. Offensively, he's the better playmaker, sees the ice much better, and has better instincts. That's why he has the hardware case he has. I believe Feds is still the better/faster skater. Now if you mean Matthieu is a better defenceman than Fedorov... well, I hope so seeing that some believe he should get $5 MM/yr to be a defenseman. If the main reason the Wings would want Matt back is because their PP depended on it.... then that $5 MM would be an overpayment.

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06-22-2007, 10:21 AM
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How do you figure that? The two players are the same age, and one of the two can play virtually any position on the ice except goal. I don't think anyone has accused Matt of having a better slapshot than Feds, which is why the suggestion was made that Feds could man the point on the PP just as effectively as Matty. Offensively, he's the better playmaker, sees the ice much better, and has better instincts. That's why he has the hardware case he has. I believe Feds is still the better/faster skater. Now if you mean Matthieu is a better defenceman than Fedorov... well, I hope so seeing that some believe he should get $5 MM/yr to be a defenseman. If the main reason the Wings would want Matt back is because their PP depended on it.... then that $5 MM would be an overpayment.
im in complete agreement with your post here fugu .
feds taking all the shots schneider takes from point = OMFG , with his quicker mind and more accurate shot he'd rack up 20 goals easily . plus his better ice vision / passing powers would = like 50 assists . like you said he's prob weaker on D in own zone so would need a very good stay at home guy with him = MARKOV my favorite because of hustle and ruggedness . SIGN MARKOV KENNY , HE'S A BIG REASON FOR THE LOW GA !!!!

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I don't see Feds coming back, IMHO. The only way I'd take him back is if he was, as we've suggested, a 2nd or 3rd liner. I don't see him taking that. His ego won't let him.

I know, I'm repeating stuff everyone else has already said. No sense in --> :.

Thank you for your kind indulgence...

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What if Columbus buys out Foote's contract instead? Would you rather have him on the team?

As much as I hated him on the Avs so many years ago, he a good, hard-nosed defenseman who is great to have on your team, but a PITA to play against...

... granted, I haven't kept up with his play in the past couple of seasons...

... and this could be another thread entirely...
I know.......what if Pittsburgh were to buy out Sydney Crosby's contract and we could sign hm for a new stick and a bag of pucks?????

C'mon people, Colombus are not going to buy out anyones contract so they can loose a player to a division rival.

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I know.......what if Pittsburgh were to buy out Sydney Crosby's contract and we could sign hm for a new stick and a bag of pucks?????

C'mon people, Colombus are not going to buy out anyones contract so they can loose a player to a division rival.

I thought the idea was pretty funny too. If you take the two thirds of Sergei's salary, it really would be money the BJ's would be throwing out the window. I don't think their problem is cap space (which might be one justification for this), but how much money the owner wants to throw into the pot.

Nevertheless... I took part in the discussion as a nice WHAT IF discussion rather than the likelihood of this happening.

IF it did happen, do YOU think the Wings should bring Feds back assuming the $$ were low?

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06-22-2007, 01:53 PM
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I know.......what if Pittsburgh were to buy out Sydney Crosby's contract and we could sign hm for a new stick and a bag of pucks?????

C'mon people, Colombus are not going to buy out anyones contract so they can loose a player to a division rival.
I didn't come up with it, just read it as a rumour on a site... said that Columbus could buy out either Fedorov's or Foote's contracts, and since nobody had brought up Foote yet I thought I would.

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I thought the idea was pretty funny too. If you take the two thirds of Sergei's salary, it really would be money the BJ's would be throwing out the window. I don't think their problem is cap space (which might be one justification for this), but how much money the owner wants to throw into the pot.

Nevertheless... I took part in the discussion as a nice WHAT IF discussion rather than the likelihood of this happening.

IF it did happen, do YOU think the Wings should bring Feds back assuming the $$ were low?
I believe in doing what is best for the club and "IF" Federov where available and "IF" you could get him for the right money ( $3M - $3.5M) I would definately bring him back.
I think he would relish another opportunity here in Detroit and as I said before, the fans would welcome him back with open arms.
He would add another skilled, proven goal scorer to the line up as well as being able to help out on defense during the PP. Could be the end for Schneider though!!!

Hey Red, just pulling your strings buddy.

Just my thoughts........

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It's the money, HD. I think the assumption was that a bought out Feds would sign for some paltry amount just to finish up his career here. In that case you have to compare what Lang would get in a new contract (let's say he stays in the $3-3.5 MM range) and a Feds under $1 MM.
Ah... so the entire supposition was based on a completely bogus, irrational and wholly impossible set of circumstances then? Grooooooooovy.

First, Fedorov is not going to sign somewhere for under a mil. That's nuts. If he's going in to some team who knows he's going to be the #2 center, and Fedorov knows he's going to be the #2 center... he's not going to sign for what Maltby is making.

Second, if Fedorov isn't coming in to replace the #2 center (which is the only way he'd come back for a mil, if he's doing so in some lesser, Cheliosian role), we need to shift the comparison to the guy he would be replacing, not Lang.

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Ahem. See Todd Bertuzzi.
Detroit would only be signing Fedorov for a month and a half?

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