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Why not least amount of loses as opposed to most wins??

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Why not least amount of loses as opposed to most wins??

I was just wondering whether everyone agrees with current tie-breaker for teams who have the same amount of points.

Curently the first tie-breaker is given to the team has more wins. For example Boston and Toronto both have 82 points, but because Toronto has 35 wins as opposed to the Bruins 31, the Leafs have the 4th spot and the Bruins have the 5th spot in the East.

So my questions is Do you agree with this tie-breaking system or should they change it to least amount of loses?

Take a look at these two records for example:

Team A: 40-32-0-10 - 90 pts
Team B: 30-22-30-0 - 90 pts

Which record looks more impressive?

For me it's the team who only had 22 loses all season.

What do you think?


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Hell no.. that just encourages teams to play for the tie even more.. it would be a backwards step.

 
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Hell no.. that just encourages teams to play for the tie even more.. it would be a backwards step.
exactly.
I don't agree with the 3 points for a win type of stuff that is floated these days, but you have to do at least somethings to recognize the value of teams playing to WIN games
the current system is appropriate IMO

by the way in the initial example doesn't one team have 82 points and the other team have about 101?? isn't that apples n oranges?

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I was just wondering whether everyone agrees with current tie-breaker for teams who have the same amount of points.

Curently the first tie-breaker is given to the team has more wins. For example Boston and Toronto both have 82 points, but because Toronto has 35 wins as opposed to the Bruins 31, the Leafs have the 4th spot and the Bruins have the 5th spot in the East.

So my questions is Do you agree with this tie-breaking system or should they change it to least amount of loses?

Take a look at these two records for example:

41-41-0-0

and

35-16-22-9

Which record looks more impressive?

For me it's the team who only had 16 loses all season.

What do you think?
Um, that's kind of a moot point since the tiebreaker wouldn't be used in that case. Team A has 82 points and Team B has 101. So obviously team B's record is more impressive than Team A's.

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Um, that's kind of a moot point since the tiebreaker wouldn't be used in that case. Team A has 82 points and Team B has 101. So obviously team B's record is more impressive than Team A's.

HAHHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAA smarty pants

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I was just wondering whether everyone agrees with current tie-breaker for teams who have the same amount of points.

Curently the first tie-breaker is given to the team has more wins. For example Boston and Toronto both have 82 points, but because Toronto has 35 wins as opposed to the Bruins 31, the Leafs have the 4th spot and the Bruins have the 5th spot in the East.

So my questions is Do you agree with this tie-breaking system or should they change it to least amount of loses?

Take a look at these two records for example:

41-41-0-0

and

35-16-22-9

Which record looks more impressive?

For me it's the team who only had 16 loses all season.

What do you think?
Your two records don't both add up to 82 points.

They add up to 82 points and 101 points, so obviously that one looks more impressive.

A better example would be

40-32-5-5 -- 90 points
or
30-22-18-12 -- 90 points

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The team that actually decides more games in their favour should be rewarded, hence the rule that Wins are the tiebreaker. How's about 41-41-0 compared to 0-0-82?

A good example this year is the Kings. They just try to hang on every night to get a point. But the better team is the team that wins the games, not the one that avoided a loss by tying...

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Um, that's kind of a moot point since the tiebreaker wouldn't be used in that case. Team A has 82 points and Team B has 101. So obviously team B's record is more impressive than Team A's.
Darn ol' math.

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Your two records don't both add up to 82 points.

They add up to 82 points and 101 points, so obviously that one looks more impressive.

A better example would be

40-32-5-5 -- 90 points
or
30-22-18-12 -- 90 points
Yup, that's more realistic, and I would still say that Team A's record is better than Team B's. Heck if you count the OTL's as losses Team A only has 3 more than Team B. Even if you did something crazy like:

Team A: 40-32-0-10 - 90 pts
Team B: 30-22-30-0 - 90 pts

I still think Team A is better (though this is closer). 30 ties is not a very impressive stat for Team B (although 42 total losses is not great for Team A either).

That said, you can come up with ridiculous scenarios under pretty much any tiebreak situation...for instance if we did it by fewer losses, a team that's 0-0-82 would be ranked ahead of a team that's 41-41-0....that certainly doesn't make much sense to me.

Bottom line: I think the current system is fine.

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IMO you are playing a sport to win, not to not lose. So teams should be encouraged to go for the wins, hence the current tiebreaker...

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Oops, sorry guys, It's been edited.

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I like the way it is.

do away with ties all together, would rather see teams play to win rather than grind to hold a tie for a point.

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