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07-03-2007, 07:12 AM
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According to Poile in the Tennessean, this may be the team and we won't pick up anybody else (boy I hope we can sign a last minute JP Dumont type player like last year lol)

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Beneath the cap floor

Unofficially, the Predators now have under contract 18 players likely to be on the NHL level next season, at a salary cap figure of $28.95 million.

They've got four restricted free agents — Vern Fiddler, Darcy Hordichuk, Kevin Klein and Greg Zanon — to re-sign, which should bring the Predators close to the salary cap floor of $34.3 million.

"For the most part our team is now set up,'' Poile said. "We'll still need to fill some depth, but in terms of our major league roster, we're in pretty good shape.

"I think we have a good hockey club. We've got guys in the right roles and the right positions. I think we should be very competitive.''

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I like the Bonk signing, however Im still a little scared.

It seems that we are still an inevitable injury or two away from icing something like:

erat-arnott-radu
dumont-leggy-4th liner
4th liner-4th liner-4th liner
4th liner-4th liner-4th liner

which wont cut it. again.


However, if our 2 top lines can stay healthy and the new third line improves, we have the ability to really suprise.

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07-03-2007, 08:29 AM
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Isn't Niskala coming over this year as well?

No one seems to be mentioning him on the d.

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Isn't Niskala coming over this year as well?

No one seems to be mentioning him on the d.
because he's likely going to be in Milwaukee

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I like the Bonk signing, however Im still a little scared.

It seems that we are still an inevitable injury or two away from icing something like:

erat-arnott-radu
dumont-leggy-4th liner
4th liner-4th liner-4th liner
4th liner-4th liner-4th liner

which wont cut it. again.


However, if our 2 top lines can stay healthy and the new third line improves, we have the ability to really suprise.

I agree, we need another forward that can play on the 3rd line, and move up and provide some kind of relief on a scoring line if needed.

Dumont - Arnott - Sully
Erat - Leggy - Radulov
Ortmeyer - Bonk - #####
Tootoo - Nichol - Fiddler/Smithson

Hordichuk in reserve.

If we could replace the ##### with a guy like Tony Amonte (old but solid and should be cheap), Glen Metropolit had a nice year (im just throwing names out there).

Then again, maybe, just maybe, the light will come on for Tootoo. With the way the refs are eyeing him, he's not going to be able to play the game like he has done in the past. Maybe this is the thing that causes him to be a bit more effective on the offensive end.

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because he's likely going to be in Milwaukee
From everything I've seen at 26 and already established in Europe as a top defenseman there has to be some sort of chance he makes the team. Why would he come over here to play in the AHL? That makes little to no sense at all.

I thought maybe he could be the next Zidlicky

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07-03-2007, 09:07 AM
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From everything I've seen at 26 and already established in Europe as a top defenseman there has to be some sort of chance he makes the team. Why would he come over here to play in the AHL? That makes little to no sense at all.

I thought maybe he could be the next Zidlicky
we are still holding out hope that Zidlicky will be the next Ziclicky, if that makes any sense. He needs to regain that form. The question will be how much the loss of Vokoun weighs on Zids.

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I like the Bonk signing, however Im still a little scared.

It seems that we are still an inevitable injury or two away from icing something like:

erat-arnott-radu
dumont-leggy-4th liner
4th liner-4th liner-4th liner
4th liner-4th liner-4th liner

which wont cut it. again.


However, if our 2 top lines can stay healthy and the new third line improves, we have the ability to really suprise.
Agreed. One injury to a guy from our top two lines and we're screwed.

Sucks to hear that we're done signing people; I would have liked to see us strengthen the third line to make it legit. Vernon Fiddler doesn't cut it.

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Also, you got to love hearing quotes like this from Poile:

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Very competitive?

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it might be a long, long season for us Preds fans.

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it might be a long, long season for us Preds fans.
I'll be ok with a long season as long as we sell the 14,000...

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Also, you got to love hearing quotes like this from Poile:



Very competitive?
I happen to agree with him. I just can't look at what we have left and feel as cynical as you do. We had Kariya, Timonen, and Vokoun last season...and what did it get us? Or the year before? Timonen and Kariya's no-show against the Sharks(both were downright bad) this year was a big part of why we lost.

If Sullivan's surgery takes care of the chronic problem, having him back..and healthy...is an upgrade over Kariya, IMO. We lose Timonen's offense, but with Weber being another year older, and Zidlicky getting back on track...we can fill it in. DeVries is better defensively than Timonen.

Vokoun was great in the playoffs...but was wildly inconsistent during the regular season. I said before...I think he has higher end ability, but Mason is more consistent...and it's not like he's a bad goaltender. I think he's capable of being a starter, most of us felt that way last year..it's just easier to be doom and gloom at a time like these.

I think this is easily still a playoff team.

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I happen to agree with him. I just can't look at what we have left and feel as cynical as you do. We had Kariya, Timonen, and Vokoun last season...and what did it get us? Or the year before? Timonen and Kariya's no-show against the Sharks(both were downright bad) this year was a big part of why we lost.

If Sullivan's surgery takes care of the chronic problem, having him back..and healthy...is an upgrade over Kariya, IMO. We lose Timonen's offense, but with Weber being another year older, and Zidlicky getting back on track...we can fill it in. DeVries is better defensively than Timonen.

Vokoun was great in the playoffs...but was wildly inconsistent during the regular season. I said before...I think he has higher end ability, but Mason is more consistent...and it's not like he's a bad goaltender. I think he's capable of being a starter, most of us felt that way last year..it's just easier to be doom and gloom at a time like these.

I think this is easily still a playoff team.
I think my main beef is how he phrased it. To me, competitive comes across as a team that will battle, but not necessarily come on top. I'm probably looking into it too much, but the way it appears it just rubs me wrong.

I think this team has the potential to do pretty good next season, but we have less room for error like we have had the past two seasons.

I think it will take a lot of 'ifs' for us to be in the playoffs next year. We cannot guarantee that Sullivan will be the same Steve Sullivan. If we're simply hoping that we get the old Steve then we could be in trouble. That being said, I somewhat disagree with the 'upgrade over Kariya' bit. They're different players and having a healthy Sullivan will not make up for Kariya's loss in my opinion.

As for making up for Timonen, we cannot assume that Zidlicky will find his touch again. How much of that touch came from playing with Kimmo? No offense to Shea or anyone else, but no one will be able to setup Zidlicky like Kimmo did. de Vries was one of the worst players on Atlanta's blue line last year, I don't think he's an upgrade much over Kimmo other then size, but even then Kimmo used his smarts to beat people to pucks.

I think we've all beaten to death the Vokoun vs. Mason argument. I don't think Mason is as good as the normal Vokoun, much less the Vokoun who turns it up a notch. Mason did great for us last season, but I think he played against lesser competition and over achieved a bit. I don't think Mason is chopped liver, but Vokoun is that much better.

Its easy to just slag off those players we lost, as it seems to be the flavor amongst Predators fans. Whenever a player leaves, he's garbage. Sure we haven't had success in the playoffs, but how much of that comes from the coaching of Trotz? Also, the guys leaving shouldn't be the only ones getting hit hard. I thought some of our current players had bad playoffs as well. Nichol, Tootoo, Fiddler, Smithson, Hamhuis, Zidlicky, etc. were all bad as well. Sullivan has never shown up for us in the playoffs, whether he's been injured or not.

Don't get me wrong, I think we should still have a good team next year, assuming everything goes right.

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I never saw the "superstar" Kariya that some people claimed to have seen. I know that HT in particular was a big fan, but I think he was a large part of why our PP was so bad. He tended to overplay the puck, and his passing ability would degenerate for long stretches at a time. Something a caller said on 104.5 yesterday..and I couldn't believe they had a caller making good points...Kariya just doesn't seem like a "winner." He's become a perimeter player, and I think that he's going to struggle in StL, because he's going to once again be relied upon to be more a first-tier player, rather than the complimentary player that I think he's become. People point to his points, to the production of Legwand and Erat...but I think Kariya was as much a product of his linemates as they were of him. Now, I had hoped we'd sign someone to replace Kariya, someone who IS more of a winner\more willing to do whatever it takes...and I think a healthy Sullivan is more of that kind of player. He lacks the size to really follow through on it, but so did Kariya. I also consider Sully an upgrade in terms of his complete nature. He plays the PK, is probalby one of the biggest shorthanded threats in the league, I like him on the PP better than Kariya, and I think he brings far more in terms of leadership.

As for Timonen..I don't see how he made Zidlicky. He wasn't aping passes to Zids like he did Delmore or Berehowsky. Zids has the passing ability to be QBing the powerplay rather than playing the point. I think that if Weber plays the primary shooting point position..and Zids plays a little lower as a setup man, our PP could and should be better than it was last year.

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I think this is easily still a playoff team.
My questions:
Can that third line generate anything on offense? Can it really be a true shut down third? Bonk will be a solid 3rd line center and Ortmeyer will add some grit and size, but ...I dunno, that Hartnell-Forsberg-Radulov mirage I saw for a brief moment last year is still dancing around in my head.
Can Hamhuis step up his game? The improvement in Suter and Weber over last year gives me some comfort in them taking some of Kimmo's minutes....but I felt like Dan was stagnant and had a rough stretch towards the end of the year. I really feel he needs to have a big year...
Mason #1? --- In Mase I trust, but he has to got do it ....and if he gets hurt???
Rads replacing PK? ---- An awful lot is going to be expected of this kid, his playoff performance gives a lot of hope. If his linemates are going to be Leggy and Erat I sure hope Weber is out at the same time to provide a little protection.
Sully healthy? -- perhaps the single most important piece...if he is sub par...our PP is going to really struggle. Hell....our team is going to struggle.

Having said all that, I remain optomistic that this team is going to respond and play hard. This is where I think Trotz shines as a coach...he seems to get the most out of a tough situation. In other words....I think this is still going to be a tough team to play against.

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I never saw the "superstar" Kariya that some people claimed to have seen. I know that HT in particular was a big fan, but I think he was a large part of why our PP was so bad. He tended to overplay the puck, and his passing ability would degenerate for long stretches at a time. Something a caller said on 104.5 yesterday..and I couldn't believe they had a caller making good points...Kariya just doesn't seem like a "winner." He's become a perimeter player, and I think that he's going to struggle in StL, because he's going to once again be relied upon to be more a first-tier player, rather than the complimentary player that I think he's become. People point to his points, to the production of Legwand and Erat...but I think Kariya was as much a product of his linemates as they were of him. Now, I had hoped we'd sign someone to replace Kariya, someone who IS more of a winner\more willing to do whatever it takes...and I think a healthy Sullivan is more of that kind of player. He lacks the size to really follow through on it, but so did Kariya. I also consider Sully an upgrade in terms of his complete nature. He plays the PK, is probalby one of the biggest shorthanded threats in the league, I like him on the PP better than Kariya, and I think he brings far more in terms of leadership.

As for Timonen..I don't see how he made Zidlicky. He wasn't aping passes to Zids like he did Delmore or Berehowsky. Zids has the passing ability to be QBing the powerplay rather than playing the point. I think that if Weber plays the primary shooting point position..and Zids plays a little lower as a setup man, our PP could and should be better than it was last year.
I agree with most all of this NMK. Kariya did make Legwand and Erat better, no doubt in my mind...but he did shrink away from leading by example when the game was on the line....he was our best playmaker at times, however.

As to the people thinking that Devries was signed to be our 7th defenseman.....put down your hooch pipe....you are just not going to sign a 2.5 mil 7th defenseman. He is a guy that is going to chew up 22 minutes a game.....with tons of PK time. Good signing as far as I am concerned.

Bonk is a good signing for what we have, by necessity become......a standard two scoring line, one shutdown line, one energy line team with a defensive focus with a hardworking edge void of superstars.....in reality, where Poile and Trotz both excel.
I have absolutely no problem with a Fiddler/Bonk/Ortmeyer third line...that is going to be a difficult line to play against.

With Koistenen signing a one way contract today, that puts us with 8 dmen in line for one ways.
Devries/Zidlicky
Hamhuis/Weber
Suter/Koistenen
Zanon RFA qualified, to be signed.
Klein RFA qualified, to be signed.
Is Koistenen just insurance that gets waived after camp...or is somebody gonna be traded?

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As to the people thinking that Devries was signed to be our 7th defenseman.....put down your hooch pipe....you are just not going to sign a 2.5 mil 7th defenseman. He is a guy that is going to chew up 22 minutes a game.....with tons of PK time. Good signing as far as I am concerned.
Hooch pipe? Some of us made our comments before we saw the dollar amounts. Regardless of his amount of money, I'm not a big fan of his and don't really see him as an upgrade over anyone.

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I still think Zidlicky is very much on the block. Of all the guys that should have been moved, Marek was the guy. He has excellent value in this market where defensemen are being drastically overpaid AND offensive defensemen are needed.

I really am surprised by what is being said about DeVries. I really do not think he will be a downgrade from what Kimmo brought defensively at all....even strength or on the PK. He isn't a powerplay specialist, but he has pretty good offensive instincts (and I can recall him scoring some huge goals for the Avs way back when).

We need 1 more forward to complete our third line.

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Everyone in this thread praising de Vries still happy with his play?

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I said:

I like DeVries also. Didn't we have him once before? I thought he came with someone else (Hulse?) and we traded him for something-- part of the Ronning deal? No... Avs trade maybe? I'm too lazy to look it up but I remember always thinking we kept the wrong player.


I'm braindead but even for me it only took one pre-season game to see the error of my ways. The DeVries I liked played 5 years ago in the clutch and grab era. Actually, I thought we were in trouble by training camp. This guy doesn't make a first step until the 3rd step by a forward with decent speed. He isn't physical unless he has 5 minutes to set up for it. I think we would be much better waiving him when Weber comes back and keeping Klien and Koistenen. Perhaps Weber can cover for him but everyone else that we have tried has failed. It's sad when a stay at home defensemen (eg Hamhuis) cant cover for your stay at home defenseman.

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I was so very very very very very very X infinity wrong about De vries.....

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ship him away now, doesnt matter what we get in return.

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Since I've not been able to see any of the games how has Bonk been?

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Bonk has been better than expected IMO. Decent offensively, good defensively, good in the dot....I like him. He has been a great fit for the third line.

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agreed, Bonk has been a bright spot on the team. I dont think anybody really expected much from him, he has probably stood out since he has been chipping in goals and our producers have chipped nothing in.

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