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Anyone remember what the Ray Bourque to Colorado trade was?

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03-04-2004, 11:57 AM
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Anyone remember what the Ray Bourque to Colorado trade was?

Might make a good comparison to the Brian Leetch deal...


I forget what Colorado had to give up and if Boston sent somthing with Bourque (Im thinking Anderychuk (sp?)

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Ray was traded to Colorado by Boston with Dave Andreychuk for Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Samuel Pahlsson and a 1st round draft pick in 2000 or 2001 Entry Draft, March 6, 2000.

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Might make a good comparison to the Brian Leetch deal...


I forget what Colorado had to give up and if Boston sent somthing with Bourque (Im thinking Anderychuk (sp?)

aha

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To Colorado: Bourque, Andreychuck
To Boston: Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Samual Pahlsson, 1st rounder in '00 or '01


Compared to


To Toronto: Brian Leetch, Conditional Pick
To Rangers: Kondratiev, Immonen, 1st '04, 2nd '05



Keep in mind that Bourque was like 2 years older then Leetch at this time.


Basing it on this deal I would say that Toronto didn't do bad at all in the trade for Leetch.

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I beleive Grenier was not signed and was re-drafted by Vancouver

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Might make a good comparison to the Brian Leetch deal...


I forget what Colorado had to give up and if Boston sent somthing with Bourque (Im thinking Anderychuk (sp?)

aha

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To Colorado: Bourque, Andreychuck
To Boston: Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Samual Pahlsson, 1st rounder in '00 or '01


Compared to


To Toronto: Brian Leetch, Conditional Pick
To Rangers: Kondratiev, Immonen, 1st '04, 2nd '05



Keep in mind that Bourque was like 2 years older then Leetch at this time.


Basing it on this deal I would say that Toronto didn't do bad at all in the trade for Leetch.

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Bourque played in Colorado for a year and a half andwon the cup. There's no guarantees the Leafs will do the same.

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I beleive Grenier was not signed and was re-drafted by Vancouver
I think he was actuallly signed by Phoenix first, then traded to Vancouver or something.

Pahlsson was traded to Anaheim for Patrick Traverse and Andrei Nazarov

the 1st round pick was used to select Martin Samuelsson

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I think Leetch is the perfect leader for that Toronto defence and will influence & guide them way more then Gonchar would have..... Leetch to me would command way more respect and awe (if that's the right word) in the dressing room then a Gonchar would.... I really believe he's the whole package as far as defencemen go....

I think Toronto got themselves a huge steal in that one!!

Way to go Fergie!!!


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I think he was actuallly signed by Phoenix first, then traded to Vancouver or something.

Pahlsson was traded to Anaheim for Patrick Traverse and Andrei Nazarov

the 1st round pick was used to select Martin Samuelsson
Martin Samuelsson was the pick and Grenier was signed by Phoenix and traded to Vancouver for AHL dman Bryan Helmer .....

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Might make a good comparison to the Brian Leetch deal...


I forget what Colorado had to give up and if Boston sent somthing with Bourque (Im thinking Anderychuk (sp?)
Here's hoping it compares in a month or so,Av's lost in the second round I think. :p

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Here's hoping it compares in a month or so,Av's lost in the second round I think. :p

Yeah but won the Cup the next season.

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Here's hoping it compares in a month or so,Av's lost in the second round I think. :p
Conference finals against Dallas.

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I beleive Grenier was not signed and was re-drafted by Vancouver
he was signed as a FA by Vancouver this summer, I think..

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he was signed as a FA by Vancouver this summer, I think..
looked it up.. he was traded to Vancouver by Phoenix for Bryan Helmer.

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To Colorado: Bourque, Andreychuck
To Boston: Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Samual Pahlsson, 1st rounder in '00 or '01


Compared to


To Toronto: Brian Leetch, Conditional Pick
To Rangers: Kondratiev, Immonen, 1st '04, 2nd '05



Keep in mind that Bourque was like 2 years older then Leetch at this time.


Basing it on this deal I would say that Toronto didn't do bad at all in the trade for Leetch.

Bourque was 2 years older than Leetch, but he was a lot better than Leetch is currently and he wasn't coming out of injurie plagued seasons. When you consider that, I would say they overpaid for Leetch, but if they didn't someone else would have.

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"Anyone remember what the Ray Bourque to Colorado trade was?"

Willing to bet at the time the trade was made, this board was blowing up with those incensed that the Avs could have possibly given up youngsters for that "old guy".

Replace Bourque's name with "Brian Leetch" in that sentence up top and I bet you'll likely see the same question being posed 4 years from now.

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"Anyone remember what the Ray Bourque to Colorado trade was?"

Willing to bet at the time the trade was made, this board was blowing up with those incensed that the Avs could have possibly given up youngsters for that "old guy".

Replace Bourque's name with "Brian Leetch" in that sentence up top and I bet you'll likely see the same question being posed 4 years from now.
I kinda had that feeling. I remember Grenier being drafted as our next big, strong, and mean stay at home D. As far as I can see, he's still a fringe player with limited skills who is a decent fighter.

Pahlsson was the fruit of the deal. He was supposed to be the next great two-way forward--at least that's how Avs fans had him rated prior to the deal. A few criticized giving it up specifically because we lost Pahlsson. However, because of this, and Pahlsson's subsequent performence, I give Lacroix a lot of credit for not only dealing an overrated prospect, but probably for creating the hype in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, Pahlsson has turned into a pretty good 3rd liner in Anahiem with some decent offensive instincts, but he's nowhere close to being that 1st to 2nd liner that he was touted to be. Which leads me to believe (and hope) he did the same thing when dealing Vrbata and Nedorost: secretly overhyped them, and dealt them for more than they were probably worth in the end.

The 1st rounder made no matter--the Avs are pretty terrible at the draft table during the first round. And inversely, extremely good at drafting in the later rounds. I'm not exactly sure how Samuelsson is progressing.

And Rolston never fit in during his stay in Denver. He's played pretty well since he's arrived in Boston, and now is probably the best thing the B's have to show for it.

I can't exactly remember how I felt about the deal, as I wasn't really up on my prospects back then, however it's easy to see that I'm digging the results now.

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