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07-03-2007, 08:57 PM
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SJ-Ottawa Proposal

To San Jose:
Wade Redden

To Ottawa:
Patrick Marleau

Straight up. Now I know the Marleau proposals are getting old, but this seems to make sense for both sides (meaning it actually makes both teams better). It's a 1 for 1 swap, not like all of the 1 for package of lesser players deal.
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Ottawa gets a proven playoff performer and a leader in PM, not to mention his natural ability to score at either LW or Center. He could be the missing piece that Ottawa needs to get over the hump and finally win themselves a Stanley Cup.

San Jose gets the #1 puck-moving d-man they have lacking. ...and he can score! This would be a major improvement for the SJ blue-line, and since the FA pool has been all but depleted of any logical choices for the Sharks, this seems like their best solution.

Like I said, on paper, this makes both teams better and makes each side more competitive. From what I have heard (and please correct me if I am way off base here), Ottawa fans felt that Redden sort of disappeared as they were eliminated from the SC finals, and as a Sharks fan, I know that many feel that PM disappeared as we were wiped out by the Wings, so with both players failing to meet expectations and their teams being eliminated, this seems like the perfect trade.

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07-03-2007, 09:00 PM
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San Jose's offense really takes a hit without Marleau. We've gone through this proposal many times, and it makes sense for both teams, but only if San Jose was able to replace Marleau with an experienced center, which didn't happen.

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07-03-2007, 09:02 PM
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trading Marleau away = 1 line team San Jose

San Jose prob should keep Marleau to keep it a 2 line offensive team

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07-03-2007, 09:09 PM
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To San Jose:
Wade Redden

To Ottawa:
Patrick Marleau

Straight up. Now I know the Marleau proposals are getting old, but this seems to make sense for both sides (meaning it actually makes both teams better). It's a 1 for 1 swap, not like all of the 1 for package of lesser players deal.
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Ottawa gets a proven playoff performer and a leader in PM, not to mention his natural ability to score at either LW or Center. He could be the missing piece that Ottawa needs to get over the hump and finally win themselves a Stanley Cup.

San Jose gets the #1 puck-moving d-man they have lacking. ...and he can score! This would be a major improvement for the SJ blue-line, and since the FA pool has been all but depleted of any logical choices for the Sharks, this seems like their best solution.

Like I said, on paper, this makes both teams better and makes each side more competitive. From what I have heard (and please correct me if I am way off base here), Ottawa fans felt that Redden sort of disappeared as they were eliminated from the SC finals, and as a Sharks fan, I know that many feel that PM disappeared as we were wiped out by the Wings, so with both players failing to meet expectations and their teams being eliminated, this seems like the perfect trade.

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When did Marleau become a proven playoff performer, the proposals I've read here the last month have all indicated that his lackluster playoff performance is one of the reason's the Sharks wanted Drury over Marleau.

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07-03-2007, 09:14 PM
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When did Marleau become a proven playoff performer, the proposals I've read here the last month have all indicated that his lackluster playoff performance is one of the reason's the Sharks wanted Drury over Marleau.
Marleau stunk vs. detroit last playoffs, but besides that for the past 5 years marleau was a PPG guy in the playoffs, and always scored the clutch goals.

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07-03-2007, 09:21 PM
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When did Marleau become a proven playoff performer, the proposals I've read here the last month have all indicated that his lackluster playoff performance is one of the reason's the Sharks wanted Drury over Marleau.
Maybe because the idiots that propose trades for him have only watched the last 6 games of his playoff career, and didn't know that he had 41 points in his last 47 playoff games before the Detroit series, with 3 Playoff Hat Tricks?

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Maybe because the idiots that propose trades for him have only watched the last 6 games of his playoff career, and didn't know that he had 41 points in his last 47 playoff games before the Detroit series, with 3 Playoff Hat Tricks?
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07-03-2007, 09:27 PM
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3 way:

To NY: Redden
To SJ: Drury
To Ottawa: Marleau

Everyone's happy!

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07-03-2007, 09:28 PM
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When did Marleau become a proven playoff performer, the proposals I've read here the last month have all indicated that his lackluster playoff performance is one of the reason's the Sharks wanted Drury over Marleau.
Marleau has always been solid for us in the playoffs (ie: 05-06 vs. nashville), he just had one bad playoffs and suddenly Sharks fans are calling for him to be traded. Just to be clear, that's not why I proposed this trade. Like I said, it really would make both teams better.

However,I definitely agree with CRDragon that, without Marleau, the Sharks are essentially a "1 line team."

My solution: Perhaps with the roughly 2 million $ less that Redden will cost than Marleau, the Sharks can spend that on getting a solid 2nd line center (I believe that they are roughly 4 million away from the cap as is, so add another 2 to that and you get 6 million $ to go find yourself a solid 2nd line center).

OR perhaps Pavelski is ready to center the 2nd line?? I liked what I saw from him this season, and while I can't disagree that he still needs some work, I feel that if you put an experienced veterin on his wing (maybe Guerin ) then he could have a breakout season. (Much like Vlassic did paired with a veteran like Hannan)
He definitely has the ability to score and maybe, just maybe he could be our next Marleau??

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My solution: Perhaps with the roughly 2 million $ less that Redden will cost than Marleau, the Sharks can spend that on getting a solid 2nd line center (I believe that they are roughly 4 million away from the cap as is, so add another 2 to that and you get 6 million $ to go find yourself a solid 2nd line center).
Redden is making $6.5 million a year. I was under the impression that Marleau's cap hit is around $4.5 million. If that's the case, SJ is taking on $2.0 million in cap space, not gaining more space.

Ottawa could upgrade in this scenario, but SJ would have to get creative.

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I'd rather trade Bernier+whatever else.

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07-04-2007, 02:35 AM
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Hey, I dug this up for you: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=389952

(Not trying to insult your thread, this was awhile ago, I just thought you might want to see it )

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07-04-2007, 03:10 AM
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Redden for Marleau actually doesn't make as much sense as you might think. Both teams plug a hole by making another one. You don't do trades like that if you expect to go anywhere. I can't see the Sharks trading away their captain, pay an extra two million bucks, and still leave a rather large hole in a crucial area which will end up being scoring.

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If i was Ottawa i do this trade in a second.

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Hey, I dug this up for you: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=389952

(Not trying to insult your thread, this was awhile ago, I just thought you might want to see it )
Yikes! That's embarrassing. Sorry about the double post here guys. I probably should have checked to see if something like this was already out there. What can I say? I'm still learning here..

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07-04-2007, 04:22 AM
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Wade Redden has said that he was never asked to waive his NTC and he would not be doing so. All Redden rumours can now end.

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07-04-2007, 04:26 AM
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Ottawa's record without Redden (even after an average season by his standards) = NOT GOOD

With guys like Timo signing for 6.3 in this kinda market, maybe 6.5 for Wade isn't all that bad. He will most likely bounce back to his old self and it is a contract year afterall like in 2005 when he had his best year. Plus Ottawa has the cap space to still sign a Guerin, Shanahan, Forsberg type to strengthen the secondary scoring more.

Not a bad deal for either team but since both will be UFA in the summer, unless you are hell bent to make changes, it is a bit of a risk with team chemistry over last year.

SJ could have used either of Stuart or even Preissing, but I bet both guys snubed their former team for trading them away when they got the right to be FA. No better way to screw them by either signing with Anna or LA.

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Even if it's a fact that Redden wont be traded, what would you say from this proposal:

Redden+Ficher for Marleau+2nd '08 or
San Jose would get second line center, but not as good as Marleau. Ottawa would still have nice third center in Vermette or Kelly. Also everyones contract expires next summer. I could also imagine Ehrhoff go with Marleau.

Dont bash me badly, first proposal ever that came to my mind.

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07-04-2007, 05:01 AM
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Even if it's a fact that Redden wont be traded, what would you say from this proposal:

Redden+Ficher for Marleau+2nd '08 or
San Jose would get second line center, but not as good as Marleau. Ottawa would still have nice third center in Vermette or Kelly. Also everyones contract expires next summer. I could also imagine Ehrhoff go with Marleau.

Dont bash me badly, first proposal ever that came to my mind.
Ottawa would probably hang up the phone the moment Doug Wilson utters Mike FISHER. I never see them letting that guy go. He is the type of vital warrior type teams need to go far in the playoffs. I would even go as far as to say say Heatley has a better chance of being dealt than Fisher is, and I doubt he would be.

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Even if it's a fact that Redden wont be traded, what would you say from this proposal:

Redden+Ficher for Marleau+2nd '08 or
San Jose would get second line center, but not as good as Marleau. Ottawa would still have nice third center in Vermette or Kelly. Also everyones contract expires next summer. I could also imagine Ehrhoff go with Marleau.

Dont bash me badly, first proposal ever that came to my mind.
Redden + Fisher for Marleau and a 2nd? And you honestly don't want to get bashed?

To get Fisher out of Ottawa, you would have to severely overpay.

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Yikes! That's embarrassing. Sorry about the double post here guys. I probably should have checked to see if something like this was already out there. What can I say? I'm still learning here..
Nahhh I had to dig through a bunch of pages to find it - I just remembered seeing it a while ago. And IMO it's a good proposal, which explains why it was made twice .

I like Marleau for Redden, but it's highly unlikely. Marleau is too set in SJ, and Redden and his NTC are too set in Ottawa. It ain't happening.

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