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07-07-2007, 11:24 AM
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2007-08 Lines and Salary Cap

Does anyone know what our new lines are, and where we are with the salary cap??? I thought I read that Nashville is still under the cap by about $5 Million???

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With Kariya leaving town and Nashville being under the cap, I am wondering if any of you think the Preds would consider the following deal with the Kings:

To Nashville: Mike Cammalleri

To LA: Ryan Suter or Shea Weber

Nashville gets a bona fide young sniper that will likely be making $4M - $5M a season to replace Kariya. LA gets a young defenseman to pair with Jack Johnson.

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Personally, no. I think they intend to keep the D corp intact and win with D, PK, stingy goaltending. If they don't spend the $ on another 3rd liner, I think they will renegotiate with some current players to pay more and get them locked up for longer.

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I'm sorry but I think Weber would be the last guy Nashville would trade...well at least if I was GM, he'd be the last guy gone.

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Cam would be nice to have, but our top 2 lines are pretty solid right now. For our money, we really just need a couple of nice 3rd liners, and I don't think Cam on the third line would be good. Our top two defensive pairings are good, we can't afford to lose anyone from our current d-corps.

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Anyone know of our actual commited salary right now as it stands? Or at least a link to where I can find out? I heard somewhere on these boards we likely have to spend 3-4 mil to hit the cap floor. Yet have heard nothing about potential 3rd line type UFA pickups.

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if this is the team that Nashvile has and is currently under the cap by 3-4 Million, I would say that the team has a pretty good shot this year if a new owner comes along and wants to spend say 10 million to get a couple of studs. And we would still be under the upper cap by over 5 Mil...but like the last guy said anyone have a link to where Nashville is sitting currently with the cap and roster???

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With Kariya leaving town and Nashville being under the cap, I am wondering if any of you think the Preds would consider the following deal with the Kings:

To Nashville: Mike Cammalleri

To LA: Ryan Suter or Shea Weber

Nashville gets a bona fide young sniper that will likely be making $4M - $5M a season to replace Kariya. LA gets a young defenseman to pair with Jack Johnson.
This has to be the worse trade proposal ever.

Bonafide sniper?

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With Kariya leaving town and Nashville being under the cap, I am wondering if any of you think the Preds would consider the following deal with the Kings:

To Nashville: Mike Cammalleri

To LA: Ryan Suter or Shea Weber

Nashville gets a bona fide young sniper that will likely be making $4M - $5M a season to replace Kariya. LA gets a young defenseman to pair with Jack Johnson.


You are JOKING, aren't you? If not, you need to get off those special meds you are taking.

To answer your question - no, not interested in THAT trade at all.

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With Kariya leaving town and Nashville being under the cap, I am wondering if any of you think the Preds would consider the following deal with the Kings:

To Nashville: Mike Cammalleri

To LA: Ryan Suter or Shea Weber

Nashville gets a bona fide young sniper that will likely be making $4M - $5M a season to replace Kariya. LA gets a young defenseman to pair with Jack Johnson.
Not too bad a deal, if its for Suter.

Weber is untouchable (a board rule should be pinned to the top of the message board - no mention of Weber in a trade proposal unless Crosby or Ovechkin are included).

With Franson and Klein ready or almost ready, we could easily replace Suter, and we have no decent offensive prospects. Zids-Hammer, Weber-Klein, Devries-Zanon and adding Cammaleri as a forward would make us a better team long and short run.

Cammaleri is young, +5 on a horrible team, and would have been our leading goal scorer last year. The only downside is he's kinda smallish, and we have plenty of that.

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This has to be the worse trade proposal ever.

Bonafide sniper?
Sorry, but I don't think this is that bad of a proposal outside the fact we don't need a center. I watched a few Kings games last season I really like what Mr. Cammalleri
brings night in night out.

How bout this one Kings:

To Kings: Legwand (although I love Davids game)
Ryan Suter (because I love Webers game)

To Predators: Mike Cammalleri
Lubomir Visnovsky

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Does anyone know what our new lines are, and where we are with the salary cap??? I thought I read that Nashville is still under the cap by about $5 Million???
Sorry forgot to help this dude out on his questions, got caught up in that trade proposal. With Trotz, you will "never" know until after about the 10th game of the season who and what our lines are. IMO they should look like this.

Dumont-Arnott-Sullivan
Erat-Legwand-Radulov
Fiddler*-Bonk-Tootoo
Hordichuk-Nichol*-Ortmeyer

*You could swap several different ways like swap Fiddler with Nichol or Ortmeyer and Tootoo. I would put Tootoo up just because he has IMO more upside on offense if they could teach him to slow down a bit. I think Tootoo over skates way too much and if they could get him to slow down a bit he'd be more in control of his offense.

As far as the cap we're at 30.012M (based on http://www.nhlnumbers.com/nas.html)

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http://www.nhlscap.com/capnumbers/nashville.htm

Incorrect - you're at $32,291,903 (or $1,708,097 under the floor), with Zanon and Fiddler's arbitration cases to be decided ... and that's counting 23 guys, unlike the 19 the other site is using.

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But Klien, Niskala and Koistinen can't all make it, Realistically on one of those three will. Which would put us at 31.5, correct?

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There's a lot of 2 way contracts which mean they get AHL salaries which are not on the cap and in reality the Preds are about 5.17 Million under the cap with Zanon and Fiddler in arbitration, and Hordichuk's numbers are unknown. I'm willing to bet the Preds will have about 3.4 million left over to make trades or an FA signing.

Sullivan-Arnott-DUmont
3,200,000-4,500,000-2,500,000
Erat-Legwand-Radulov
1,750,000-2,100,000-689,000
Fiddler-Bonk-Ortmeyer
-1,350,000-750,000
Smithson-Nichol-Tootoo
475,000-750,000-700,000
Hordichuk-
-----------------------------------
Weber-Zidlicky
475,000-3,200,000
Hamhuis-Suter
1,750,000-942,000
Zanon-DeVries
-2,250,000
Klein

-----------------------------------
Mason

1,250,000

Rinne

495,000


[Others: Koistenen 495,000]

Total: 29,126,000

NEEDS: Back Goalie, Forward, 2 Defenseman

Excess cash: 5,174,000

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There's a lot of 2 way contracts which mean they get AHL salaries which are not on the cap and in reality the Preds are about 5.17 Million under the cap with Zanon and Fiddler in arbitration, and Hordichuk's numbers are unknown. I'm willing to bet the Preds will have about 3.4 million left over to make trades or an FA signing.

Sullivan-Arnott-DUmont
3,200,000-4,500,000-2,500,000
Erat-Legwand-Radulov
1,750,000-2,100,000-689,000
Fiddler-Bonk-Ortmeyer
-1,350,000-750,000
Smithson-Nichol-Tootoo
475,000-750,000-700,000
Hordichuk-
-----------------------------------
Weber-Zidlicky
475,000-3,200,000
Hamhuis-Suter
1,750,000-942,000
Zanon-DeVries
-2,250,000
Klein

-----------------------------------
Mason

1,250,000

Rinne

495,000


[Others: Koistenen 495,000]

Total: 29,126,000

NEEDS: Back Goalie, Forward, 2 Defenseman

Excess cash: 5,174,000
Thank you sir for the backing. I didn't think 2-way salaries counted towards the cap. Thanks though Irish, I like the way it shows on the nhlcap all the players that we've got under contract.

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Sorry, but I don't think this is that bad of a proposal outside the fact we don't need a center. I watched a few Kings games last season I really like what Mr. Cammalleri
brings night in night out.

How bout this one Kings:

To Kings: Legwand (although I love Davids game)
Ryan Suter (because I love Webers game)

To Predators: Mike Cammalleri
Lubomir Visnovsky
Sorry, we can't give up Visnovsky. I knew that I probably went overboard in mentioning Weber, but you gotta try. Anyway, I think Cammalleri for Suter would be a fair deal and one that the Kings would probably consider.

The Kings have a real lack of depth in defenseman in Suter's age range and the is a strength for the Preds. I would think that with Kariya leaving town you could use a guy like Cammalleri. Someone mentioned that you don't need another center. Even though his position is listed as center on a lot of websites Mike plays on the wing almost exclusively. And yeah, he is a bonafide sniper. He isn't a 50 goal man like Heatly, but he is going to be up around 30 every season for many years to come.

Edit: Sorry in typed Weber in this post, I meant to say Suter.


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There is zero chance Weber is dealt for Cam., unless he holds out and refuses to play for any other team besides the Kings. There are probably only 5-10 players I would trade Shea Weber for straight up, and it includes the likes of Kovalchuk, Crosby, and Ovechkin. Yeah, these guys are more valuable than Weber, but Shea is going to be one of the top 5 defensemen in the NHL. His development curve has been unreal, and I do not think the Predators will ever intentionally let him go.

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Here's an off the wall question: We keep thinking that the Preds need to sign a 3rd line player to fill the gap but what is there is a large amount of cash keeping the team from the salary floor and they can sign a 2nd line center? On paper, doesn't this look good?

Sullivan-Arnott-Dumont
Erat-FA signing-Radulov
Legwand-Bonk-Ortmeyer
Smithson-Nichol-Fiddler
Hordichuk-Tootoo

I say Legwand to wing because of all the centers on the team, he has the lowest FO% amonst the 6 centers on the Preds. Legwand is defensively responcible and would be a added offensive punch (When) the eventual top two line injury. Also there is a chance to sign a playmaking center to feed Erat and Radulov.

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Here's an off the wall question: We keep thinking that the Preds need to sign a 3rd line player to fill the gap but what is there is a large amount of cash keeping the team from the salary floor and they can sign a 2nd line center? On paper, doesn't this look good?

Sullivan-Arnott-Dumont
Erat-FA signing-Radulov
Legwand-Bonk-Ortmeyer
Smithson-Nichol-Fiddler
Hordichuk-Tootoo

I say Legwand to wing because of all the centers on the team, he has the lowest FO% amonst the 6 centers on the Preds. Legwand is defensively responcible and would be a added offensive punch (When) the eventual top two line injury. Also there is a chance to sign a playmaking center to feed Erat and Radulov.
I would not put Legwand at wing.
Trotz's system is such that the center has, by far, the most defensive responsibility of any of the forwards. He also should be the player bringing the puck into the offensive zone on his line. If you stick him at wing, you would lose a huge part of what Legwand brings to the table.
Now if you could find a wing/center to play on Legwand's line that is good at faceoffs, that would take the FO, then play wing.....I would be more ok with that, but Legwand can never be asked to be the finisher on any line.....he needs a finisher on his line to optimize the package that he can bring to the team.

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I can't see Legwand being moved to the wing, he's too good of a backchecking Center to be moved to the wing and I don't see him being built for that role. We'll lose his speed and puck possession playing with Erat and possibly Radulov.

Furthermore, we'd have to get a pretty good FA signing to replace Legwand at center. With it being late in the game in terms of signing players and our ownership issues, we'll have a hard time finding someone to upgrade Legwand.

If we get someone, it will have to be through a trade.

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Well, had to try something. I'm not even close to liking Fiddler on the 3rd line

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Does anyone know if Mike Peca has played any wing during his career? I was looking through the UFAs left, and I would love to see him on the third line.

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When Peterson was on the radio the other day he said Bonk would be playing the 3 or 4th line, so I wouldn't pencil him in at 3 just yet. We might sign Peca and have 4 really good centers.

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does anyone see a further breakout of Erat? Like a PPG or over? I've always thought highly of him and he has continued to develop, and he should get some more ice-time now.

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