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07-11-2007, 12:05 PM
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if a minor league player is called up how does that effect the cap? do they have to play certain number of nhl games to be included in the cap and if so how many do they have to play?
If I have it right - every time a player misses a game, he loses a percentage (prolly 1/82) of his salary against the cap.

Every time a player gets called up, a percentage (1/82?) gets added to the cap.

I could be off on that though.

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07-11-2007, 12:10 PM
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if a minor league player is called up how does that effect the cap? do they have to play certain number of nhl games to be included in the cap and if so how many do they have to play?
Not games played.They use the numbers of days during the NHL season.2006-07 was a 187 day season.

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07-11-2007, 12:16 PM
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Actually, the cap hit for Shanahan is 5.3MM$...
Why?

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Not games played.They use the numbers of days during the NHL season.2006-07 was a 187 day season.
If I understand the CBA correctly even if a player is placed on IR his salary still counts against the cap. Only if he is moved to Longterm IR his salary is freed from the cap-hit.

Therefore, if due to an injury of let's say Jagr, someone is called up from the AHL the roster size goes from 23 to 24 and this call-up's salary will count against the cap for the days he spends on the roster (10/187). Thus if you are really close to the cap, injuries can push you above and therefore may make a midseason trade necessary.

Can anybody confirm or correct my understanding of the CBA?

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CLUB PAYROLLS

What will be the range of Club payrolls?

The payroll range in Year One (2005-06) of the CBA will be $21.5 million (U.S.) at the lower limit and $39 million (U.S.) at the upper limit. A Club's payroll will include all salaries, signing bonuses and performance bonuses paid to players. Except in the case of bona fide long-term injury (injuries that sideline a player for a minimum of 24 days and 10 games) to one or more of a club's players, Club payrolls will never be permitted to be below the minimum or in excess of the maximum. Clubs at or near the upper limit that have players who incur a bona fide long-term injury will be entitled to replace up to the full value of the injured player's NHL salary (even if such salary would result in the club's team salary exceeding the upper limit). The "replacement salary" will not count against the club's upper limit but will count against the League-wide players' share. Upon return of the injured player, the team must come into immediate compliance with the requirements of the payroll range.

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07-11-2007, 12:27 PM
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Why?
because it does.

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Actually, the cap hit for Shanahan is 5.3MM$...
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Why?
*sigh*

Base salary: $2.5 million
Potential bonuses: $2.8 million
TOTAL: $5.3 million

Salary and potential bonuses count against the cap. Immediately.

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Looks like another update Kodiak.

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"All performance bonuses count against the cap this year. We can exceed the salary cap by $3.77 mil to pay these performance bonuses, but any excess will be dead cap space for the 08-09 season."

Thats all that matters.

Seems like we have about $3 mill left if this is correct. Count Avery for $2-$2.5, and I guess let Hossa walk

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07-11-2007, 12:34 PM
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1) Given the tight salary cap, are the Rangers stuck both now and next season
-At the trade dealine
With the roaster as is, or will they be able to have enough room NOW to upgrade defense AND at the deadline to improve wherever it needs be it injury or what?

2) Continuing with the salary cap, what exactly is the Rangers figure right now, and will it improve with Kasparaitis going down?
-In MY estimation it is a good target to have 6 million at least in cap space during a season to allow for call ups, trades, and injuries which any team hoping to wisely contend needs to anticipate.
-What is the likelihood the Rangers have a flexible figure?

3) Trades. Is it likely, unlikely and any reports on if the Rangers are actively shopping Malik, Mara, and Cullen?

4) Continuing with trades, who exactly do the Rangers have as trade bait?
Are they stuck or is there reason to believe they can improve and get value for Malik, Mara, Cullen, or Monotya, speaking of which any rumors or likelihood he is gone?

5) The cap and future.
-Objectively are the Rangers looking at having serious cap problems in the near future OR should this team, if desired, be able to both RETAIN it's core and be ACTIVE in FA in 08/09 (we will skip 10 since it is TOO far away).

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07-11-2007, 12:34 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong.

Before signing Prucha NYR had roughly 12M?
1.6 + 5.3 + 4.5 =11.3

700K left? With Hossa and Avery going to arbitration? Is someone getting traded?

Assuming no one wants Malik. Cullen or Mara?

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because it does.
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*sigh*

Base salary: $2.5 million
Potential bonuses: $2.8 million
TOTAL: $5.3 million

Salary and potential bonuses count against the cap. Immediately.
Thought the bonuses were only 2.5... but thanks for the attitude you guys. Thanks a ****in lot.

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is this right?? http://www.nhlnumbers.com/nyr.html

Cap Space -1.399 are we over the cap??

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07-11-2007, 12:40 PM
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is this right?? http://www.nhlnumbers.com/nyr.html

Cap Space -1.399 are we over the cap??
I guess Kaspers salary still counts.. I was surprised it didn't..

Ok who is getting traded?

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It won't count once he is sent to the minors at the start of camp. So that is 3 mill off. Plus, Shanny's hit is 5.2, but if we need the 2.8 mill he makes in bonuses, that cap space can be defered to next season. By these numbers, seems we have about 5 mill wiggle room? Seems too high.

EDIT: didn't calculate the negative space that is there now. So, about $3.7 would be avail.

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It won't count once he is sent to the minors at the start of camp.
O yeah? Well how come McGillis and Malakhovs salary counted? Sather will have to pull Lou. Buy buy 1st round pick.

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O yeah? Well how come McGillis and Malakhovs salary counted? Sather will have to pull Lou. Buy buy 1st round pick.
Can't say I know how it works. Just echoing what has been said here, and seemed to be in agreement by most.

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is this right?? http://www.nhlnumbers.com/nyr.html

Cap Space -1.399 are we over the cap??
NO - IT'S NOT RIGHT.

If the guy running that site actually understood how the cap worked, he wouldn't be showing a negative number there. However, he doesn't - otherwise, he'd account for the fact that Shanahan's bonuses actually give the Rangers extra cap room to work with. If the cap was a hard cap and [/i]if Kasparaitis was really going to be on the roster[/i], fine - it would be correct; as we all know, the NHL doesn't have a hard cap, and Kasparaitis isn't going to be on the NHL roster.

You guys have $49,536,310 allocated to 19 guys right now, with Avery and Hossa still to be dealt with. He's counting Kasparaitis, and not counting Staal (who I'm expecting to make the Opening Night roster).

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07-11-2007, 12:59 PM
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O yeah? Well how come McGillis and Malakhovs salary counted? Sather will have to pull Lou. Buy buy 1st round pick.
You need to gets your facts straight.McGillis was assigned to the AHL and his salary came off the books.Malakhov signed a multi-year contract(2 years) as a player over the age of 35 which meant the second year counted regardless of Malakhov's status

FYI,teams can go over the cap by 10% between July 1 and the opening of the season.It's in the CBA.Look it up

The Rangers are allowed assign Kasparaitis to Hartford and get his obligation off the cap

Sorry to burst your bubble

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Next year's cap hit:

Lecavalier and Richards - 14.6M
Gomez and Drury - 14.3M





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NO - IT'S NOT RIGHT.

If the guy running that site actually understood how the cap worked, he wouldn't be showing a negative number there. However, he doesn't - otherwise, he'd account for the fact that Shanahan's bonuses actually give the Rangers extra cap room to work with. If the cap was a hard cap and [/i]if Kasparaitis was really going to be on the roster[/i], fine - it would be correct; as we all know, the NHL doesn't have a hard cap, and Kasparaitis isn't going to be on the NHL roster.

You guys have $49,536,310 allocated to 19 guys right now, with Avery and Hossa still to be dealt with. He's counting Kasparaitis, and not counting Staal (who I'm expecting to make the Opening Night roster).
Ohh because kasper is 34 his contract does not count? Is that teh difference between him and Malakhov?

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Hossa is either the odd man out, or a trade has to be made. I see no way around that. We have to have some wiggle room like some have said in case of a AHL callup.

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Next year's cap hit:

Lecavalier and Richards - 14.6M
Gomez and Drury - 14.3M




This reminds me of Rangers fans who smugly posted about the Devils' "cap crisis" the last two summers only to see the Devils find a way out of it. It was silly then and its silly now.

Lou found a way out, so will Sather.

And happily, unlike the rotting corpse of Maladog, Cullen and Malik have trade value and the Rangers won't need to be sending a first rounder the other way in any deal for them.

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Ohh because kasper is 34 his contract does not count? Is that teh difference between him and Malakhov?
http://www.nhlpa.com/CBA/index.asp

Download the CBA and find it

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07-11-2007, 01:07 PM
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I'll ask again

1) Are we stuck with this team as is, or will we be able to do something to improve the D?

2) Any chance we can be buyers at the deadline in case of ill performance/injury or are stuck?

3) Next off season, are we in deep cap trouble in 08 and 09, or can we retain the core and be FA players?

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Because so many people are confused and/or complaining, I rearranged the original chart. I hope this clears things up.

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