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Official: Cullen to Carolina for D Andrew Hutchinson, F Joe Barnes, 08 3rd

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07-17-2007, 10:45 AM
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I really dont like getting Hutchinson, he's kind of like Poti, a major liability defensively, and it leaves up with too many dman.

Although this Joe Barnes guy seems interesting; big and skilled, but seems to have a bit of an injury bug.

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Now we have a glaring hole at third line center. How do we fill it?

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This might be Immonens chance (Unless they have plans for Anisimov)...
Jarkko is a RFA who is planning on playing in Finland this season.

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07-17-2007, 10:46 AM
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Well, that's the big question now. Do they sign another player to fill that 3rd line spot? Or do they leave it open for a prospect to take, and Avery to fill if a prospect can't win it?

Or...is a defenseman moved and part of that deal include a 3rd line center in return.

I have a bit of a hard time thinking they'll go into the season expecting a rookie to win that spot. But you never know...Betts was the third line center last year at opening night, right?

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This might be Immonens chance (Unless they have plans for Anisimov)...
Was wondering how this may effect his Finnish plans.

Anyone know Hutchinson's waiver status? Versatile pick-up if he remains exempt.

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07-17-2007, 10:47 AM
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I think Dubinsky will make the team if we dont sign Peca or another center

I wish Cullen the best of luck in Carolina

And hopefully we trade Malik

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Hopefully it's Dubinsky's chance.
I agree... I would say either him or Avery gets the spot as 3rd Line Center...

Prucha - Gomez - Jagr
Straka - Drury - Shanny
Hossa - Avery - Callahan
Hollweg - Betts - Orr (Byers)

Does that look good to you guys?

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This might be Immonens chance (Unless they have plans for Anisimov)...
Immonen's been had his chance. I don't love this because I don't know who is going to fill that spot with the defensive ability of Cullen. Cullen was out of position almost all of last year, and now that he is in his ideal spot on the depth chart he is traed.

I don't claim to know our cap situation inside and out though, so I am willing to believe they needed to clear space.

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Damnit. The team was set up so perfectly with the third line. Why would Slats go make a move like this to ruin the chemistry. First move of the offseason that I hate.

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Now we have a glaring hole at third line center. How do we fill it?
Avery, Dubinsky, someone else. They have options.

What this trade does do is take away another penalty killer from this team.

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I dont know. I think Peca's on his way now. They need the big PK guy a 3rd line center and a shut down type of leader.

Avery - Peca - Callahan is one stubborn antagonizing line.

But im concerned with all of this being too shaken up.

Looks like a defensman has to be moved now ... i dont know. i dont like this. Not excited.

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Huge hole at 3rd line center now, and too much of a change over. This wasn't needed. We had enough cap space for Avery. I guess Sather just doesn't want to be up against the cap tot he last dollar.

Please stop inserting Dawes into your lineups. He isn't gunna be up here.

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I really dont like that Sather has traded Cullen. I really hope that he tried his hardest to trade Mara and/or Malik before doing this. Cullen being traded is gonna hurt. The game is speed now and he definitely has that, along with being able to win faceoffs, and kill penalties.

Hutchinson is still a young defenseman and maybe will crack the lineup if Mara and/or Malik is traded. I'd still try and move Malik and then sign Markov.

And as for the 3rd line center role, I guess its gonna be Peca. Though theres quite the availability of players still. O'Neill, Allison, Bondra, etc might not be terrible either. Also Roenick may not retire but I'm not sure if he's under contract with anyone. And theres always the option of letting Anisimov or Dubinsky take the job.

I guess its a wait and see now.

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07-17-2007, 10:50 AM
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Love the deal...One of Cullen or Prucha was going to go...and I'm glad it was Cullen (I've never been a fan, to put it mildly)) and his 3 mill per salary as a 3rd line C..

Clears up quite a bit of cap space...And a pretty decent return in a 26 year old 3rd pair offensive D-man who lead the Canes D-men in PP points, a prospect with all the tools (and a few questions also) who the Rangers liked in Barnes, and a 3rd round pick..Also sets up a lot of possibiliets....Not only does it give us cap relief.....but could set other things in motion,...Do we go for a solid D-man...and.or a lesser priced C?...The inclusion of Hutchinson (think POCK) also gives us more ammo to deal from concerning the back line....And it might open one more spot for a youngster, but not neccesarily as a 3rd C..

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07-17-2007, 10:52 AM
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make no mistake, the NYR's are gunning for a Cup THIS year and being that is the case would you guys rather take a chance on a kid in the checking line role or would you make a run at a Peca to go against the other teams top lines if he was willing to sign a 1 yr deal for 2 million or under?

Avery-Peca-Callahan

The lineup was short on sandpaper, especially on the top 3 lines and I think forming the above line would ease that shortcoming.

Immonen is gone to Finland and not coming back and IMO Dubi needs another year getting top minutes in the AHL.

At the end of the day I would've prefered to keep Cullen but the move does allow for some cap flexibility going forward.

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Some people are seriously overrating Cullen...

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Now we have a glaring hole at third line center. How do we fill it?
Peca?

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Avery, Dubinsky, someone else. They have options.

What this trade does do is take away another penalty killer from this team.
Avery is not nearly as effective at center. We saw that last year.

Is Dubsinky ready for full-time action on the third line? That's an awfully big risk to take in a year where we are trying to be competitive.

I wonder if Slats is gonna look at moving a defensemen for another third line center. There's gotta be something else in the works here.

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Don't you guys think that Avery was a better defensive player (+11 in 29 games with the Rangers) with more of a scoring touch???

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I really dont like that Sather has traded Cullen. I really hope that he tried his hardest to trade Mara and/or Malik before doing this. Cullen being traded is gonna hurt. The game is speed now and he definitely has that, along with being able to win faceoffs, and kill penalties.
But let's be honest, he was a hard-worker, fast as hell and a good penalty killer, but he did have hands of stone.

In terms of penalty killers, we still have Avery, Hossa (both need to sign), Betts, Callahan, Drury and whoever takes that third line center spot, whether it be Peca, Dubinsky or anybody else, they need to be a penalty killer as well. This is not even including Shanny as I don't want him taking that icetime anymore. That is plenty, not only is it enough, but it looks like a pretty good penalty kill IMO.

I think Hutchinson may be a move to waive down to the AHL, so we are just dumping Cullen's salary and opening a spot for a kid Sather thinks is ready to step into the big club (I hope at least). But if not a one-year cheap contract for Peca looks pretty good IMO

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07-17-2007, 10:57 AM
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I was thinking about it, there was a lot of talk of the Rangers getting a PP quarterback, and Hutchinson seems like a PP specialist.

Maybe Sather intends to play Hutchinson (oh crap)

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Peca better be closer to 1 mill if we go that route. Whats the point of losing Cullen to sign Peca for 2 mill, very small relief there.

I'm upset mainly because of too much change over.

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make no mistake, the NYR's are gunning for a Cup THIS year and being that is the case would you guys rather take a chance on a kid in the checking line role or would you make a run at a Peca to go against the other teams top lines if he was willing to sign a 1 yr deal for 2 million or under?

Avery-Peca-Callahan

The lineup was short on sandpaper, especially on the top 3 lines and I think forming the above line would ease that shortcoming.

Immonen is gone to Finland and not coming back and IMO Dubi needs another year getting top minutes in the AHL.

At the end of the day I would've prefered to keep Cullen but the move does allow for some cap flexibility going forward.
Cap flexibility and we still have roster flexibility...I agree that this team is going for the cup this year and next, and I'm all for it. I'm just not sure we need a Peca (who I like). With this CUllen move, I think it means we keep all 3 of Hossa, Prucha and Avery...With that, I don't think we need to obtain a 3rd C at the onset (Hossa-Gomez-Jagr; Shany-Drrury..and then we can use Prucha, Avery, Cally (or Dawes) and Straka for the next 4 spots----based on camp..

However, if we are indeed going for a Cup, just as certain as I was (and hoping)that CUllen was going to be dealt, I think we will also bring in an upgrade at D

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i still think immo will be invited to camp and prove he deserves the 3rd line role.

that being said, unless ani wows me, he should be in the ahl

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Peca better be closer to 1 mill if we go that route. Whats the point of losing Cullen to sign Peca for 2 mill, very small relief there.

I'm upset mainly because of too much change over.
Yeah, I am worried about that.

It takes time to get a team to become syncronized, especially for centers.

We are supposed to make a cup run with 3 new centers? I really doubt thats possible.

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