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07-17-2007, 11:34 AM
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The turnover happened already before the Cullen move. I still say we are 2-3 years away from a serious run at the cup. Hopefully someone from within gets a chance at the #3 center spot.
How do you figure that. It would seem that 2-3 years from now would be the weakest time, because the Rangers are going to lose Jagr.

Unless you think he'll re-sign for another several years? In which case, he's still older and on the decline.

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07-17-2007, 11:35 AM
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I don't even think Hutchinson will make the team. He's an offensive specialist. When Carolina played him, I'm not sure that he took a regular shift many nights. It might have just been power play time. They dress seven defensemen a lot with Laviolette. I don't think Renney is the type to dress a defenseman and only use him on the power play. Hutchinson could be a guy who the Rangers lose on waivers.

So now Sather has his cap room.

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Those upset about personnel turnover, I can see your point even if I don't agree.

Those trying to pitch Cullen as "critical element to the team's success", a "PK specialist" or anything other than an average, easily replaceable player that the organization had overcommitted to are just fooling themselves. I don't ever recall a single post on this board where Cullen was branded as someone who had delivered on expectations and/or filled a role on the team that was desperately needed.

Financial flexibility. How does the discussion not begin and end there?

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07-17-2007, 11:36 AM
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The turnover happened already before the Cullen move. I still say we are 2-3 years away from a serious run at the cup. Hopefully someone from within gets a chance at the #3 center spot.
We were pretty damn close to the Conference Finals <cough>(7.7 seconds)...

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07-17-2007, 11:36 AM
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I wish Cullen well...

The simple fact that they shed salary and a long contract and essentially got back 3 players is a pretty good job though.

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07-17-2007, 11:36 AM
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Anyone know the cap number Hutchinson comes with?

475K

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Anyone know Hutchinson's waiver status? Versatile pick-up if he remains exempt.
Anyone?

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07-17-2007, 11:38 AM
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Change of topic for a sec. How does our draft situation look next year. Obviously, I don't mean where we're picking, but how many picks do we have after getting Carolina's 3rd?

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07-17-2007, 11:39 AM
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Anyone?
Hutch is eligible for waivers.

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what concerns me is how small the rangers are going to be down the middle next season...

btw hossa isn't useless....

hossa found a role on this team...has pk abilty and can we please stop saying we lost our best penalty killers...last time i checked lundqvist was still under contract...

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07-17-2007, 11:40 AM
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I'd have been more happy with a bunch of draft picks in return. But, a couple of young guys plus a pick. It is not bad. I fully anticipated Cullen having a good season this year, but if NYR can find a younger and cheaper version on the 3rd line, I am all for that.

This trade can mean bye-bye to Mara. If he had a decent season, he might have more value in next off season since there is less financial obligation.

There were some other posts saying Slat might move Malik while vacationing with Burke. That would shed $5.8 m off the cap and add a bunch of picks. Let's see if we can have 7 or 8 picks in the first 3 rounds.

It is not a bad idea to move Avery to 3rd line. He and Callahan would drive the defence nuts. Of course, keeping Prucha at 3rd is an option.

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07-17-2007, 11:55 AM
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If Dubinsky makes the team in September, he'd definitely add some size at center.

Did the board determine that the 224 lbs. on the Wolf Pack web site was fairly accurate, or did we think he was lighter than that after seeing him play a few games for the Rangers? I remember people sort of joking about his changing weight last fall.

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07-17-2007, 11:56 AM
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Peca for 1 year at $1.5 million is better than Cullen for 3 years at $3 million when Dubinsky and Anisimov are waiting in the wings.

Thats of course if Dubinsky is not ready at this point. Thats up to management to decide and we'll certainly find out within the next couple of weeks how they feel.

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I can make a case...

for keeping Cullen and make a case for letting him go. To the latter, there is some more flexibility on the top 9 forward side, but more importantly there is financial flexibility. I think I like Avery in the middle and Hossa (and Prucha and Cally) in the mix more than I like Cullen and two of Hossa, Prucha and Cally in the mix. And let's face it, Gomez, Shanny and Drury are going to get decent PK time in Tom Renney's world, and there was little room on the PP in Renney's world due to the amount of forwards who should get PP time, and Renney's inclination to not use Cullen on the point.

If you want to play line juggling, having Avery center Straka and Callahan is pretty interesting. Having him center Callahan and Hossa is pretty interesting too. And having him center Prucha and Callahan seems pretty interesting too (read, that bulldog type that can get in close and play better along the boards compared to Cullens skate fast, shoot, skate back).

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Of course this was a cap move, plain and simple. I thought Slats fetched a fair return for an overpaid 3rd line center. I liked Cullen, his blazing speed opened up the ice nicely, that being said, he had some GLORIOUS opportunities to score in the Buffalo series and came up empty. Solid, if unspectacular, and unable to come up with the big play. Good team guy and right skill set for his role, but overpaid, plain and simple.

Hutch and Barnes do not make the team out of training camp, so this opens up a spot for a forward, but who? One has to think, also that Slats has something up his sleeve, plenty of useful UFAs out there.

Maybe they are thinking of Marty Straka as the 3rd line center, with Gomez and Hossa on the first line? I admit it does seem surprising and feels like a bit of a roster shakeup, but who know? Looks like Slats has at least one more move in him before training camp.

I'm excited about this team, and losing Cullen is not the worst thing in the world.

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07-17-2007, 11:57 AM
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Nyr...

I think there were some pics we saw in camp where he had legs like tree trunks, a decent size neck and baby fat - so 224 didn't seem to be too unrealistic.

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07-17-2007, 12:04 PM
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I think there were some pics we saw in camp where he had legs like tree trunks, a decent size neck and baby fat - so 224 didn't seem to be too unrealistic.
It also seems like he lost some of that extra weight during the season, so probably weighed/weighs less than that now

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07-17-2007, 12:06 PM
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Not good imo unless CUllen asked out.

Teams with this much turnover very RARELY play extremely well... In every sport.

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07-17-2007, 12:07 PM
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for keeping Cullen and make a case for letting him go. To the latter, there is some more flexibility on the top 9 forward side, but more importantly there is financial flexibility. I think I like Avery in the middle and Hossa (and Prucha and Cally) in the mix more than I like Cullen and two of Hossa, Prucha and Cally in the mix. And let's face it, Gomez, Shanny and Drury are going to get decent PK time in Tom Renney's world, and there was little room on the PP in Renney's world due to the amount of forwards who should get PP time, and Renney's inclination to not use Cullen on the point.

If you want to play line juggling, having Avery center Straka and Callahan is pretty interesting. Having him center Callahan and Hossa is pretty interesting too. And having him center Prucha and Callahan seems pretty interesting too (read, that bulldog type that can get in close and play better along the boards compared to Cullens skate fast, shoot, skate back).
Callahan - Avery - Prucha

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07-17-2007, 12:10 PM
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what concerns me is how small the rangers are going to be down the middle next season...

btw hossa isn't useless....

hossa found a role on this team...has pk abilty and can we please stop saying we lost our best penalty killers...last time i checked lundqvist was still under contract...

Jagrs opposite wing is Hossas to lose if you ask me. Too many heavy handed GMs/ coaches on the board


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07-17-2007, 12:13 PM
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At least Peca has put up some consistent numbers in his career. Maybe not lately but he has the potential to be a better fill in at 2nd line then Cullen IMO.
In his prime, he was slightly better offensively than Cullen. At present, he is as good as Cullen at best. He's not a better fill in at this point.

I'm not totally against Peca as the third line center, it just makes me feel kinda of "meh" about the whole thing. I'd be more interested in seeing if the Rangers acquire someone via trade for that spot.

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Not good imo unless CUllen asked out.

Teams with this much turnover very RARELY play extremely well... In every sport.
It could very well take a while for the Rangers to develop the chemistry they need to be successful. I don't think the Rangers are going to start 10-0 out of the box this season. Same thing goes for Philadelphia with all their new faces.

But if these guys do end up clicking, then watch out, because this Rangers team has much more talent at center this year than they've had in a long time.

Sometimes it's hard to temper the excitement that the names on paper inspire with the fact that we have to wait two months to see how these guys actually perform on the ice in real game situations. Nothing is guaranteed as we all know.

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I like Straka centering Prucha and Callahan. Hossa will probably play with Jagr. Hutchinson is a good defenseman to come in and replace someone if there is an injury or if Staal is not ready yet. For 2.85 million a year you can sign Avery who can play center also.

Cullen will probably play with Walker on Carolina's third line.

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I like Straka centering Prucha and Callahan. Hossa will probably play with Jagr
I'd be surprised if Hossa is Jagr's wing for much of the season. I don't think he has near the consistency to be worth a 1st line spot.

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I'm really not understanding both people's sudden love affair with Cullen and the fear of too large a turnover. Cullen was a great skater but even in the second half, he was frustrating to watch fail to finish on almost every opportunity. He worked well on the Canes for their style of powerplay and we just didn't have that same fit for him. And for the salary we had him at, it was a great move to get rid of him. As for the turnover, I'm not buying it. The core is what matters and the new players are going to evolve to play with the group that is still in tact. Gomez is going to figure out how to work with one of the best players in the world and how to feed Straka/Prucha. Not too tough there. Drury's strength is his versatilty. Why is that a problem? And if we get Peca, he is another guy who just goes out there and gives it what he has. If we don't make a move and just use the extra cash to retain Avery and Hossa, things are little changed. This "turnover" is not the poison people are seeing it as. Relax and get ready for a great season.

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