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A Bad Lawyer Can Drag A Case For Years, A Good Lawyer Even Longer (CBA/Lockout) XXVI
Based on his negotiating tactics it seems to me like he has no intent to come up with a deal. he's going to frustrate the league to the point where they'll take everything off the table. I'm afraid that when that happens he's going to go after the salary cap and then you can kiss the season(s) goodbye. More and more it seems like he is in this for his own ego. Every day that this lockout drags on, the more the players are getting hurt by it.
I have yet to see a reasonable explanation for why Fehr would do that. It's just completely above and beyond his directive for this CBA.
I can't believe you just posted this? So the Rangers made some bad signings because they didn't have enough time to assess the players????
Why didn't Ken Holland go after these guys? Or Burke, seeing you're a Leafs fan you may be more familiar with his philosophy. You wish to excuse poor personnel decisions by the CBA allowances, allowances that were available to every single team in the league.
Yet..... some teams did very well and build significant rosters.
The owners, collectively, must spend 50%-- or whatever the figure turns out to be. The players, collectively, cannot get a penny more.
Very few teams are handing out $7 MM contracts to lower level players just to reach the floor--- okay, zero teams are doing that...
Florida did trade for a rather overpaid 7 million player at least partially for that purpose however.
Florida did trade for a rather overpaid 7 million player at least partially for that purpose however.
Wasn't there a GM in common to both teams?
I think the big teams can make the big mistakes, and then find a team that has to meet the floor to do a dump-- assuming the GM on the receiving end doesn't have many options, assets, or much in the brains front. Heck, it may be due to them being unable to attract an elite player, so they take someone else's hand-me-downs.
That should be self-evident from the amount of money they are losing right now.
Besides, we're talking about a side that believes they lost a CBA that saw their average salary double. Is that even possible?
Yup. They lost so badly they chose to extend their ****** deal a few years ago and, were kindly willing to continue playing under their current ****** deal while the new CBA was negotiated.
Yup. They lost so badly they chose to extend their ****** deal a few years ago and, were kindly willing to continue playing under their current ****** deal while the new CBA was negotiated.
I think the big teams can make the big mistakes, and then find a team that has to meet the floor to do a dump-- assuming the GM on the receiving end doesn't have many options, assets, or much in the brains front. Heck, it may be due to them being unable to attract an elite player, so they take someone else's hand-me-downs.
Yup, same guy who (a bit less) grossly overpaid him when he was trying to bring some legitimacy to the other team when it was struggling and couldn't attract free agents either.
I expected them to be back Wednesday. Hope I'm right
Yes, right now I'm thinking they start Tues-Thursday, then have 3-5 days of marathon negotiations. If they can't strike a deal after that group of marathon nights, December is toast
Yes, right now I'm thinking they start Tues-Thursday, then have 3-5 days of marathon negotiations. If they can't strike a deal after that group of marathon nights, December is toast
I'm cautiously optimistic now but if/when they cancel December, I'll probably lose my faith for this season. This week is very telling, imo.
I have yet to see a reasonable explanation for why Fehr would do that. It's just completely above and beyond his directive for this CBA.
And you know this how? Do you know exactly what the players really want? How do you the players are the ones that brought a know cap hater in just to keep the cap, maybe they brought him in because they just dont want the cap.
And you know this how? Do you know exactly what the players really want? How do you the players are the ones that brought a know cap hater in just to keep the cap, maybe they brought him in because they just dont want the cap.
Maybe Fehr really a cyborg from the future and his directive is to prevent the robot apocalypse... who knows?
Thinking rationally, it makes no sense that the players have engaged in the grand conspiracy you describe.
And you know this how? Do you know exactly what the players really want? How do you the players are the ones that brought a know cap hater in just to keep the cap, maybe they brought him in because they just dont want the cap.
So they're going to go through weeks of intense negotiations, agree on a multitude of points, come closer to agreement on the major points, be on the verge of agreeing to a deal... and then Fehr will decide to casually throw in that the cap has to be eliminated?
That makes zero sense to me. It would result in not only the cancellation of the season, but would undermine all the work they've put in so far because the entire deal would have to be re-worked. IMO, if his true intention was to eliminate the cap, he would have started that ball rolling some time ago rather than waste his own and everyone else's time negotiating a deal he would already know he had no intention of honoring. I'm no expert and the term is thrown around somewhat loosely around here, but that sure wouldn't seem like negotiating in good faith to me.
So they're going to go through weeks of intense negotiations, agree on a multitude of points, come closer to agreement on the major points, be on the verge of agreeing to a deal... and then Fehr will decide to casually throw in that the cap has to be eliminated?
ONE WEEK FROM NOW...
Daly: You drive a hard bargain, Fehrs. That said, I think that we've reached an agreement that we both agree will serve the interests of both the NHL and NHLPA for a long, long time. I'm sure you're looking forward to seeing hockey as much as us, and as much as the fans. Let's go make the announcement that we've made a deal! 50-50, guaranteed contracts and acceptable new UFA rules! Perfect.
So they're going to go through weeks of intense negotiations, agree on a multitude of points, come closer to agreement on the major points, be on the verge of agreeing to a deal... and then Fehr will decide to casually throw in that the cap has to be eliminated?
That makes zero sense to me. It would result in not only the cancellation of the season, but would undermine all the work they've put in so far because the entire deal would have to be re-worked. IMO, if his true intention was to eliminate the cap, he would have started that ball rolling some time ago rather than waste his own and everyone else's time negotiating a deal he would already know he had no intention of honoring. I'm no expert and the term is thrown around somewhat loosely around here, but that sure wouldn't seem like negotiating in good faith to me.
The only way to get rid of the cap is to let two seasons pass and then when the third season rolls around and the owners are antsy to get playing, casually say that the only way the players will agree to play is if there is no more cap. The owners could then decide if they want to play or lose probably two or three more seasons to keep the cap.
Of course, players (probably) wouldn't let Fehr get to that point, would they?
The only way to get rid of the cap is to let two seasons pass and then when the third season rolls around and the owners are antsy to get playing, casually say that the only way the players will agree to play is if there is no more cap. The owners could then decide if they want to play or lose probably two or three more seasons to keep the cap.
Of course, players (probably) wouldn't let Fehr get to that point, would they?
According to some posters, Fehr will have no trouble getting to 2014 without a CBA in place.
Going back to S. Fehr's comments that that were posted on here earlier
he stated "the players are not interested in going after the cap" even tho D. Fehr is not a fan of the cap system.
Based on that very telling statement I don't think their end game is going after the cap.
Going back to S. Fehr's comments that that were posted on here earlier
he stated "the players are not interested in going after the cap" even tho D. Fehr is not a fan of the cap system.
Based on that very telling statement I don't think their end game is going after the cap.
If anything, I think this is just proof that Daly and S-Fehr have more leeway to make public statements about the negotiation process than their bosses do, and as a result are much more plugged in to the actual CBA talks.
All eyes are on Gary & Don, which allows Bill & Steve an enormous amount of room to get the nitty-gritty of this deal done, though whether that happens next week or in July is another question altogether. I've said it before: whenever a deal IS reached, you can bet it'll be due in large part to Bill Daly and Steve Fehr's ability to negotiate with each other while Gary & Don pose as the distraction for media heat/attention.
If anything, I think this is just proof that Daly and S-Fehr have more leeway to make public statements about the negotiation process.
All eyes are on Gary & Don, which allows Bill & Steve an enormous amount of room to get the nitty-gritty of this deal done, though whether that happens next week or in July is another question altogether. I've said it before: whenever a deal IS reached, you can bet it'll be due in large part to Bill Daly and Steve Fehr's ability to negotiate with each other while Gary & Don pose as the distraction for media heat/attention.
sounds eerily familiar, didn't we see this 7 years ago? and it sounds eerily familiar to most players during this one, notice whenever they speak they say bettman, not wertz, not jacobs (his name does come up some but mostly from fans)
Doesn't the owner of Philly have rights to the NBC Sports Network?
No. Snider is Chairman (and 31% owner) of Comcast Spectacor - a small subsidiary of Comcast, and an even smaller subsidiary now of Comcast/NBCU. Versus (now NBC Sports Network) is and always has been owned by Comcast, not Comcast Spectacor (which basically is the Flyers, 76ers, the Wells Fargo Center, and the Global Spectrum arena management company).
I can't believe you just posted this? So the Rangers made some bad signings because they didn't have enough time to assess the players???? Hey, wasn't he in NJ, where they got to see him all the time?
Why didn't Ken Holland go after these guys? Or Burke, seeing you're a Leafs fan you may be more familiar with his philosophy. You wish to excuse poor personnel decisions by the CBA allowances, allowances that were available to every single team in the league.
Yet..... some teams did very well and build significant rosters.
I do love it when fans try to blame the cap system for the crappy management of their team. Always an amusing one.
