Quick has proved he is a ****ing great goalie, and kings fans should be excited for the future, but Lundqvist was the best goalie in the NHL this season. The stats are extremely close, but Lundqvist has 5 more wins, that definitely enough to take the Vezina this year.
I'd be shocked if Bylsma does not get consideration for the Jack Adams since Pens had 371 man games lost, tied for 3rd, yet still finished 1 point away from tieing the conference. Will he win it? no, but he'd be runner up. The winner is obvious...Hitch.
Quick has proved he is a ****ing great goalie, and kings fans should be excited for the future, but Lundqvist was the best goalie in the NHL this season. The stats are extremely close, but Lundqvist has 5 more wins, that definitely enough to take the Vezina this year.
Its a circular argument sure Lundqvist has 5 more wins but you don't think that if LA scored a few more goals that Quick wouldn't also have 5 more wins. This is the first time I can see two goaltenders sharing the Vezina.
Its a circular argument sure Lundqvist has 5 more wins but you don't think that if LA scored a few more goals that Quick wouldn't also have 5 more wins. This is the first time I can see two goaltenders sharing the Vezina.
In the Atlantic Quick would have given up more goals too. So, its a moot point in my opinion. See my previous post which discussed this factor in detail. If Quick had to face the #1 and #3 most prominent offensive teams in the NHL he would face a higher percentage of quality scoring chances, thus giving up more goals, thus wiping out that argument.
In the Atlantic Quick would have given up more goals too. So, its a moot point in my opinion. See my previous post which discussed this factor in detail. If Quick had to face the #1 and #3 most prominent offensive teams in the NHL he would face a higher percentage of quality scoring chances, thus giving up more goals, thus wiping out that argument.
Its circular as you can argue all day and not get to an answer there is no way to know that if Quick was on the Rangers that he wouldn't have done as well if not better. I think they should share the award it is to close to decide for me.
Its circular as you can argue all day and not get to an answer there is no way to know that if Quick was on the Rangers that he wouldn't have done as well if not better. I think they should share the award it is to close to decide for me.
I agree, they are two top candidates. And, personally, I think it is unfair that Smith is left as the "third" for most people. IMO, Smith was just as integral to his team success, if not more so, than the other two while posting identical stats.
That said, you don't think Quick being in a higher scoring division (12.4% higher GF) would lead to more goals against? To me, if you face more talented offensive teams, you face better chances, and tend to give up a few more goals. It makes logical sense doesn't it?
I'm not even saying Quick would be bombed in the Atlantic, I'm just saying one can certainly argue that his stats could have been a little worse playing against that kind of talent (Malkin, Crosby, Giroux, Kovalchuk, Parise, Tavares, etc.). To face #1 and #3 GF teams 12x throughout the year is significant. The Devils, 3rd place in the Atlantic for GF, had as many GF as the top team in the Pacific. 6 of the top 10 players in PTS came from the Atlantic.
Conversely, Lundqvist's stats could have been a little better if he played Sharks caliber teams 6x a year.
I agree, they are two top candidates. And, personally, I think it is unfair that Smith is left as the "third" for most people. IMO, Smith was just as integral to his team success, if not more so, than the other two while posting identical stats.
That said, you don't think Quick being in a higher scoring division (12.4% higher GF) would lead to more goals against? To me, if you face more talented offensive teams, you face better chances, and tend to give up a few more goals. It makes logical sense doesn't it?
I'm not even saying Quick would be bombed in the Atlantic, I'm just saying one can certainly argue that his stats could have been a little worse playing against that kind of talent (Malkin, Crosby, Giroux, Kovalchuk, Parise, Tavares, etc.). To face #1 and #3 GF teams 12x throughout the year is significant. The Devils, 3rd place in the Atlantic for GF, had as many GF as the top team in the Pacific. Conversely, Lundqvist's stats could have been a little better if he played Sharks caliber teams 6x a year.
But who is to say that if Quick played for the Rangers he wouldn't have the same numbers? It is interesting to think about but at the end of the day they put up almost the exact same numbers for over 60+ games I think they should share the award.
But who is to say that if Quick played for the Rangers he wouldn't have the same numbers? It is interesting to think about but at the end of the day they put up almost the exact same numbers for over 60+ games I think they should share the award.
Again, it's just speculation. That's what I'd speculate. Although, I agree, you cannot play "What IF" in the scenario.
Lundqvist, Quick, Smith should all be considered for the award. This year, in particular, will be a heart breaking year for the runner up because it was close. I think Lundqvist will end up getting the nod for his reputation as an "elite" net minder and his team winning the Conference in the toughest division. IMO, this could be the most heart breaking runner up scenario since Luongo lost to Brodeur in 06-07.
