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even though I believe calling Philly a big market team is a stretch.
The 8th biggest market in terms of people and the 4th biggest market in terms of the number of TVs you have trouble calling a big market?
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Originally Posted by Prophet of Glennie
Then there was one mid sized one (Milwaukee) and then one small in Tampa
Tampa isn't a small market. It has almost 3 million people (1 million more than Milwaukee's metro area). The problem is the Rays play in a crap stadium in a crap location while Milwaukee has a fairly new stadium in a great location for what Wisconsinites like to do in the summer.
Get over the fact Western Canada is irrelevant when it comes to North America Sports.
You could say the prairie's are, but Vancouver is relevant to the NBA. Stern said one of his biggest mistakes was moving from Vancouver and Aquilini has shown interest in obtaining pacers and hornets a while back.
You could say the prairie's are, but Vancouver is relevant to the NBA. Stern said one of his biggest mistakes was moving from Vancouver and Aquilini has shown interest in obtaining pacers and hornets a while back.
Fair. My statement was harsh. The problem with Vancouver is that many people don't want the NBA back. Is Vancouver ready for big time?
He's against it in principle yet fought for it when he was an owner.
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Originally Posted by MurrayBannerman
What? The Latin Americans were starting to get outbid on by big market teams.
Calls have been changed in umpire meetings.
Texas and St. Louis are not big markets. Those are medium markets. Not to menton, since 2007, there have been 18 different playoff teams - if I counted right - and no repeat champions.
The international market was a market of parity, there was a mix of big, medium, and small market teams.
Calls are rarely changed.
And Texas and St Louis are definitely big market teams. Parity doesn't mean different teams winning the World Sries every year. The big market teams consistently dominate while the small market teams will get a year or two (And in the very rare cases like the Rays, a few years in a row) window untill they lose their top players to free agency.
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Originally Posted by AdmiralsFan24
Tampa isn't a small market. It has almost 3 million people (1 million more than Milwaukee's metro area). The problem is the Rays play in a crap stadium in a crap location while Milwaukee has a fairly new stadium in a great location for what Wisconsinites like to do in the summer.
It's small market based on it's their fanbase and in general the people who will actually watch baseball, which it wouldn't be a strech to call it the smallest in the league. The Brewers have a much larger fanbase. Tampa even with a new stadium would still be in tough.
And Texas and St Louis are definitely big market teams.
Texas is a big market. St Louis is a small to mid market. The St Louis MSA is 19th in the country, or 16th if you prefer CSA. They have just done a good job with their fan base, but that doesn't make them a big market. Don't confuse payroll with market size.
It's small market based on it's their fanbase and in general the people who will actually watch baseball, which it wouldn't be a strech to call it the smallest in the league. The Brewers have a much larger fanbase. Tampa even with a new stadium would still be in tough.
Do you know where Tropicana Field is? It's on the South end of the peninsula. The only way to get to it from Tampa or Brandon two of the largest cities in the metro is to go across a bridge or go all the way around Old Tampa Bay and then South which takes around 2 hours. If they could build a new stadium on the East side of Old Tampa Bay they would draw more fans.
And the Brewers fan base really isn't larger. I'm guessing most people in Central and Northern Florida are Rays fans. That area alone is much larger than the entire population of Wisconsin, assuming every person in Wisconsin is a Brewers fan which isn't even close to being true.
I mean is this really a place you would want to watch a game?
Not easily accessable and a complete dump. I wouldn't want to watch a game there, no matter how good the team is.
Texas is a big market. St Louis is a small to mid market. The St Louis MSA is 19th in the country, or 16th if you prefer CSA. They have just done a good job with their fan base, but that doesn't make them a big market. Don't confuse payroll with market size.
It is a big market. The Cardinals have a massive fanbase streching far outside their metro area, and they definitely spend and act like a big market team.
If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, sounds like a duck, it probably is a duck.
Do you know where Tropicana Field is? It's on the South end of the peninsula. The only way to get to it from Tampa or Brandon two of the largest cities in the metro is to go across a bridge or go all the way around Old Tampa Bay and then South which takes around 2 hours. If they could build a new stadium on the East side of Old Tampa Bay they would draw more fans.
And the Brewers fan base really isn't larger. I'm guessing most people in Central and Northern Florida are Rays fans. That area alone is much larger than the entire population of Wisconsin, assuming every person in Wisconsin is a Brewers fan which isn't even close to being true.
I mean is this really a place you would want to watch a game?
Not easily accessable and a complete dump. I wouldn't want to watch a game there, no matter how good the team is.
I never said anything positive about their arena. But thats not the only reason they draw no fans. Most of Florida is Miami Marlins fanbase, Tampa Bay has small pockets but really only the Tampa Bay area is Rays fans. When I was down in Tampa people didn't seem to care about the Rays at all. The Rays have a shockingly small fanbase, much smaller than Milwaukee.
It is a big market. The Cardinals have a massive fanbase streching far outside their metro area, and they definitely spend and act like a big market team.
If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, sounds like a duck, it probably is a duck.
You're going to have to explain where you got thast assumption.
Well, if you consider St. Louis a big market because their organization has done a good job in cultivating a fanbase outside of their market, the Mets have done the inverse. Therefore, they are a small market. Heck, even people in the NYC metro area are trying to disown them at the moment!
Well, if you consider St. Louis a big market because their organization has done a good job in cultivating a fanbase outside of their market, the Mets have done the inverse. Therefore, they are a small market. Heck, even people in the NYC metro area are trying to disown them at the moment!
That's not the only reason they're a big market team.
And of course the Mets are a big market team, just because they play like the Leafs doesn't mean they aren't, and I never suggested otherwise.
Portland is an awesome baseball town. Regularly has the highest MLB TV ratings among the non-MLB markets. The area loves baseball. Thousands of Oregonians have/had Mariners ticket packages. Oregon State won back to back college World Series recently and Univ. of Oregon is a top 25 program.
Portland would be a great MLB city. The state already has partial ballpark financing already passed if they can land a team.
Well, if you consider St. Louis a big market because their organization has done a good job in cultivating a fanbase outside of their market, the Mets have done the inverse. Therefore, they are a small market. Heck, even people in the NYC metro area are trying to disown them at the moment!
Exactly, sports markets can't be perceived as incredibly fluid on a year to year basis. Overall, determining these markets, in my opinion, combines both perceived fan base cultivation as well as the area they are in, without going into advanced economic evaluation.
This theory, barring a large increase in population in an area, allows for a clear picture of the market tiers.
This is why Texas should be perceived as a potential big market team that is transitioning. Before their success, the Astros were basically Texas' team. However, with their recent success they have gained they attained a large TV deal and control of Texas baseball.
The Angels could potentially be put in this transition stage as well.
Fair. My statement was harsh. The problem with Vancouver is that many people don't want the NBA back. Is Vancouver ready for big time?
a lot of white folks like myself don't want it because they way the NBA & players treated us
HOWEVER since the grizz left a lot and i mean a lot of minorities have defected and moved here...and MOST of them LOVE the NBA and they have lots of $$$$
so i do think it would work here IF NBA players want to play here...and that is a BIG if
